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October 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm #2953
Omer
ParticipantI'd like to share few websites that display interesting matters about HistoryThe First one is about the Middle East :http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/EMPIRE17.swf What do you think of it ? How useful or reliable can it be ? Useful for any curriculum ? Do you want more ?
October 12, 2011 at 6:19 pm #25554scout1067
ParticipantI like it. I think it is useful to show how nebulous territorial claims can be, especially for that part of the world. Israel for example, could plausibly be claimed by the Italians since their predecessors, the Romans once ruled the area. I think it would be usefulk as an intro to a course on Mid-East history. Maps like that are instructive to illustrate the grand sweep of history.Do you make them and do you own the site?
October 12, 2011 at 8:44 pm #25555skiguy
ModeratorI love animated maps like this. Please show more if you have them.
October 13, 2011 at 2:08 am #25556Aetheling
ParticipantThat kind of map is very interesting especially for courses.I'm a bit surprised that it's still scarce despite the available technologyI have one here about the Age of Discovery :http://www.the-map-as-history.com/demos/tome10/14-magellan_demo.php
October 13, 2011 at 9:47 am #25557Omer
ParticipantI didn't make it , just found. They also have maps about History of Religions and about March of Democracy http://www.mapsofwar.com/
October 13, 2011 at 3:40 pm #25558Omer
ParticipantI was checking one of their maps and I came across an interesting one : Which Presidents have led the United States into its deadliest wars?My bet : Democrat or Republican ? (too bad I can't insert a poll here) ;D !! OK I could insert a poll, however this wasn't my first thought when I started this post !!Answer :http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/American-Wars.swf
October 18, 2011 at 5:01 am #25559scout1067
ParticipantDemocrats have led America into more wars than Republicans have including both World Wars. I would guess though that the answer you are looking for is Republican since Lincoln was President during the Civil War. I still voted Democrat on this poll because I don't consider crushing and insurrection to be a proper war any more than Lincoln did. Calling it a proper war would be admitting that the Rebels had legitimate complaints.
October 18, 2011 at 3:17 pm #25560Omer
ParticipantDemocrats have led America into more wars than Republicans have including both World Wars. I would guess though that the answer you are looking for is Republican since Lincoln was President during the Civil War. I still voted Democrat on this poll because I don't consider crushing and insurrection to be a proper war any more than Lincoln did. Calling it a proper war would be admitting that the Rebels had legitimate complaints.
October 19, 2011 at 4:58 am #25561scout1067
ParticipantI was correct.
October 19, 2011 at 11:51 pm #25562DonaldBaker
ParticipantAre you saying the rebels didn't have legitimate complaints?
October 20, 2011 at 1:38 pm #25563scout1067
ParticipantAre you saying the rebels didn't have legitimate complaints?
For the most part, yes. All their complaints boiled down to "I want my slaves whether it is right or wrong and the gubmint should not have anything to say abut it." I realy don't think that keeping fellow humans as chattel property was a cause worth fighting for.
October 20, 2011 at 11:58 pm #25564DonaldBaker
ParticipantFor the most part, yes. All their complaints boiled down to "I want my slaves whether it is right or wrong and the gubmint should not have anything to say abut it." I realy don't think that keeping fellow humans as chattel property was a cause worth fighting for.
That wasn't the issue when the war began though (at least not for the North).
October 21, 2011 at 7:15 am #25565scout1067
ParticipantAre you saying the rebels didn't have legitimate complaints?
Isn't this the question I responded to? I don't recall writing about Northern war motivation in this thread at all. We can add that to the discussion but please respond to my original response rather than tying to deflect from the issue at hand. Was or was not slavery the issue that the South seceded over? For all their talk about State's Rights, the bottom of the issue was that the Federal government wanted to work towards doing away with slavery and powerful slave interests in the South did not want to see that happen. They thus invented the issue of State's Rights to bring the majority of Southern non-slave owning whites on board with them in their attempt to rebel and found their own country where slavery could continue. They did not try to work within the system anymore once they realized the tide of history was against them. They actually could have ended up better off if they had sought for a solution to ending slavery peacefully instead if sparking an insurrection. To my knowledge, most Southern leaders recognized that slavery as an institution was doomed but were simply not willing to give it up yet.Is that a good summation or would you disagree with it?
October 21, 2011 at 10:17 pm #25566DonaldBaker
ParticipantIt was about state's rights…..the Southern states' rights to have slaves. There are you happy? ;D
October 24, 2011 at 6:25 am #25567scout1067
ParticipantIt was about state's rights.....the Southern states' rights to have slaves. There are you happy? ;D
Yes, at least you will be honest about it. I always figured you would be. 🙂 It is an ugly truth but one that needs to be acknowledged. It does not make the history of the run up to war and the war itself less interesting. In my mind it makes it more so, how did a small propertied class convince the rest t go to war to uphold privileges they did not enjoy? The southern landowners have always struck me as being very similar to European nobility iin their thoughts and privileges.
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