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January 1, 2007 at 4:52 am #509
Stumpfoot
ParticipantDid we need Rome? And what would he world be like if Rome had never existed?
January 1, 2007 at 6:59 pm #7820DonaldBaker
ParticipantRome inspired humanity to raise it's standard of civilization to one of discipline and order based on codified laws.
January 1, 2007 at 8:07 pm #7821Stumpfoot
ParticipantWhat would todays world be like without Rome?
January 1, 2007 at 9:38 pm #7822Phidippides
KeymasterWhat would todays world be like without Rome?
I think some historical "what if?" questions are not really plausible. One cannot really ask what the world would be like because a) Rome held onto its power for some 1100+ years and b) it had such a fundamental influence on Western Civilization. We really don't have anything to compare it to and we don't know if some alternative civilization would have risen to Rome's extent and assumed its leadership role in politics, military, the arts, and other areas. In other words, any answer we could give would be mere imagination with little evidence to rely on.
January 1, 2007 at 11:21 pm #7823Stumpfoot
ParticipantMaybe we would have more of a Greek influence.
December 24, 2009 at 3:38 pm #7824Aetheling
ParticipantMaybe we would have more of a Greek influence.
or Etruscans or Carthaginians or no Christianity or etc, etc
December 28, 2009 at 9:56 pm #7825DonaldBaker
ParticipantMaybe we would have more of a Greek influence.
or Etruscans or Carthaginians or no Christianity or etc, etc
Christianity was the unstoppable juggernaut that couldn't be stopped. 🙂
June 7, 2011 at 2:50 pm #7826Omer
ParticipantChristianity was the unstoppable juggernaut that couldn't be stopped. 🙂
Right but what would had happened without Pontius Pilate and Rome ?
June 7, 2011 at 4:54 pm #7827Phidippides
KeymasterRight but what would had happened without Pontius Pilate and Rome ?
That's kind of like asking what would have happened without the invention of the wheel.
June 8, 2011 at 3:11 pm #7828Omer
ParticipantNo wheel during the Pre-Columbian era, which didn't prevent an exceptional civilisation
June 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm #7829scout1067
ParticipantOf course a couple hundred Spaniards with rifles, horses, and excellent political skills pretty much owned all the South American civilizations too. Possession of a specific technology is not important but I do not see how the Western world as we know it would exist absent Rome. Don't forget the Greek influence either. Of course, Rome was essential to the Western World.
April 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm #7830Aetheling
ParticipantDon't forget the Greek influence either. Of course, Rome was essential to the Western World.
What if Rome didn't conquer Greece ? Would Greece had a deeper influence on our civilisation without Rome ? I'm refering to the Antikythera mechanism, the machines built by Archimedes (brought to Rome after the death of Archimedes at the siege of Syracuse in 212 BC), Science, Philosophy, Religion, Politics, Arts and so on...
April 10, 2012 at 1:12 am #7831Phidippides
KeymasterFirst of all, I don't know how Rome would have operated without having conquered Greece, since the Roman Empire extended way beyond Greece on all sides. However, even if we assume for the sake of argument that the Roman Empire existed with an “island” of an independent and free Greece in the middle of it, it wouldn't have mattered; by the time Greece was conquered, Greek culture had already been spread through what we now call the Hellenistic world by Alexander the Great and others. So now, we would have to change our hypothetical even more. What if the Roman Empire existed without having conquered the Hellenistic kingdoms (i.e. basically the entirety of the east, and part of the southern Mediterranean, would never have fallen into Roman hands)? For one, this would have meant that the Roman Empire was far smaller than it actually became. Even so, I think that Greek influence would have pervaded Rome and the west; it was actually the conquest of the city of Syracuse (on the Italian mainland) in the third century B.C. that led to the adoption of Greek art and architecture by the Roman Republic. Even aside from this, the Roman Republic and Empire would undoubtedly have traded with the Hellenistic kingdoms and would have decided to emulate Greek culture through these activities. In the end, I don't think that Greece would have influenced Rome much less had Greece or the Greek world not been conquered.
April 10, 2012 at 11:11 am #7832Aetheling
ParticipantGraecia capta ferum victorem cepit et artes / intulit agresti Latio (Epistulae 2.1.156f.)
April 10, 2012 at 2:36 pm #7833Phidippides
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