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Interesting that we have such different spins on the methodology... I follow the line of one of my mentors (a former Ranger in the Pacific); he was never afraid of sustanined fire as the shooter likely was in the spray and pray mode, the shot, pause, shot mode was what scared him. According to him, "That SOB was looking right at what he was shooting at!"One shot; one kill.
Exactly. It's a waste of ammo. It only is effective en masse and in close quarters. If a man is well trained in combat, he can achieve his objectives with any makeshift weapon, so long as he is sufficiently competent to employ it. Samson did pretty well with the jawbone of a donkey. Muhammad Atta and his crew did quite a bit of damage with box cutters. It really doesn't make any difference with someone who is trained, focused, and determined to succeed.
I am a klutz–tried this with an SKS, a Ruger clip fed 22 and an M-1 30 cal. carbine–checked U-Tube and failed every time!
Plenty of places in the States and legally too. And yes it is easy to make an SKS full auto but what is the point when an AR-15 or M-4 clone is just as easy to convert and more effective?You want to see what a bunch of meagerly trained dedicated individuals can do? Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. I am here to tell you that there are not many American servicemen that will fire on our fellow citizens and those that do will only get off a few shots to begin with.Scout:If a group of latter day patriot seize an armory in Alabama and the government responds by sending in the 82 Airborne Division, do you really think that those splendid well trained professionals will disobey an order to open fire and kill all the people inside? I do not. They will do exactly what is expected of them as they are professionals. If, by chance, I am wrong, I would be inclined to pack my bags and move to Canada as such an action would be a foreshadowing of chaos, disaster and rebellion.
It won't happen that way. Americans will not take to arms unless the government moves first. If and when that happens, you will see National Guard officers take the lead to stand against the federal forces. Again, this is a doomsday scenario, and the government wouldn't necessarily rely on the 82 Airborne or any other army or marine detachment. They would instead employ the use of NATO troops and mercenaries like Blackwater. These soldiers would have no qualms with firing on American civilians since they are not aligned to our nation.
Disagree–John Brown moved first–the S. Carolina Gamecocks moved first at Sumpter. I believe that your opinion about what National Guard officers would do against army regulars is a product of wishful thinking rather than being based upon a reasoned conclusion–in short–an opinion.Any administration who brought in latter-day Hessians or mercs would be excoriated in the press, be faced by a wrathful congress and possibly impeached. You are reading some strange books.Bye the way--please let me know where I can buy an RPG or a SAW--what stste?Regards:WillyD
willy,John Brown was a fanatic fundamentalist abolitionist and murderer... not the average fed up American. Most of us wouldn't think of acting first... the government gets respect and the benefit of the doubt until they boot it as Donnie indicates.
He did not say average American! And the Oklahoma Bomber did not wait for the government to move first either. Given the time and the inclination I am sure i could come up with at least six more incidents, albeit minor, where a person or people launched an offensive first. Donnie's statement was not only incorrect, it was too general. Most of us are not all of us.I see you cleverly avoided thee Sumpter incident.Sleep well--Buona notte
Can't really call OK City bombing or the plane into the tax office, or the suicide by cop at the Pentagon average Americans either, can we? I still think the gov't will have to make the first move.
One thing I will say, our government is completely afraid of the American populace. A paranoid government is a dangerous government, and the more paranoid that government becomes, the more likely it will try to suppress freedoms. Our formerly open society is rapidly closing down.
One thing I will say, our government is completely afraid of the American populace. A paranoid government is a dangerous government, and the more paranoid that government becomes, the more likely it will try to suppress freedoms. Our formerly open society is rapidly closing down.For one--I think it far far better thing that the government fear the people than having the people fear thegovernment.
From Donnie: One thing I will say, our government is completely afraid of the American populace. A paranoid government is a dangerous government, and the more paranoid that government becomes, the more likely it will try to suppress freedoms. Our formerly open society is rapidly closing down.
For one--I think it far far better thing that the government fear the people than having the people fear thegovernment.
Think this might be on their collective mind?
Quote from: willyD on Today at 03:20:02 PMQuoteFrom Donnie: One thing I will say, our government is completely afraid of the American populace. A paranoid government is a dangerous government, and the more paranoid that government becomes, the more likely it will try to suppress freedoms. Our formerly open society is rapidly closing down.For one--I think it far far better thing that the government fear the people than having the people fear thegovernment.Think this might be on their collective mind?Unhappily I do not. The government and the professional military have, in my opinion, a very lowopinion of the people's ability to handle nuances, of their ability to deal with complex political and military matters and of our overall intelligence. My nephews told me that in Iraq many of the educational materials for the average grunts were in the form of comic books.I do not think they fear us at all--why should they--baa baa baa baa baa.WillyD
Unhappily I do not. The government and the professional military have, in my opinion, a very lowopinion of the people's ability to handle nuances, of their ability to deal with complex political and military matters and of our overall intelligence. My nephews told me that in Iraq many of the educational materials for the average grunts were in the form of comic books.I do not think they fear us at all--why should they--baa baa baa baa baa.WillyD
The only military publication I can think of that is a comic is PS Magazine which is a command information monthly that puts out safety and maintenance tricks for army equipment. Most pubs are NOT comics. The average American has no idea how complex most modern military systems are. The internet was invented by the military remember and there is a battlefield version that lets us send reports and even call in artillery or airstrikes electronically. Many doctrinal manuals are available open source and I encourage you to look at some and see how simplistic they are. Here are a few links, the most up-to-date are only available with a military login but even ones a few years old give the comic book lie away.FM's, Listing of US Army Field ManualsI think things would have to get a lot worse than they are before people would be willing to take up arms against the government. I am talking about people disappearing and camps being set up bad. It is easy to get upset about taxes and wasteful spending but is there anything on the horizon that the average person would be willing to die over to stop it from happening? I don't think so. Not to mention the fact that most people have no clue what combat is like, much less how much dislocation would be involved in revolution. It is easy to talk revolution from the comfort of home, much more difficult to put into practice. I don't think most Americans would have the stomach for it to be honest. Sheeple is an apt word to describe the mass of the population.
The only military publication I can think of that is a comic is PS Magazine which is a command information monthly that puts out safety and maintenance tricks for army equipment. Most pubs are NOT comics. The average American has no idea how complex most modern military systems are. The internet was invented by the military remember and there is a battlefield version that lets us send reports and even call in artillery or airstrikes electronically. Many doctrinal manuals are available open source and I encourage you to look at some and see how simplistic they are. Here are a few links, the most up-to-date are only available with a military login but even ones a few years old give the comic book lie away.FM's, Listing of US Army Field ManualsI think things would have to get a lot worse than they are before people would be willing to take up arms against the government. I am talking about people disappearing and camps being set up bad. It is easy to get upset about taxes and wasteful spending but is there anything on the horizon that the average person would be willing to die over to stop it from happening? I don't think so. Not to mention the fact that most people have no clue what combat is like, much less how much dislocation would be involved in revolution. It is easy to talk revolution from the comfort of home, much more difficult to put into practice. I don't think most Americans would have the stomach for it to be honest. Sheeple is an apt word to describe the mass of the population.My comic book reference came directly from my Marine nephews. The intellectual ability and literacylevel among their fellow warriors was, to say the least--spotty. This is not surprising when you considerfrom what strata of society most enlisted men/women are recruited.The fact that you characterize the majority of American as sheep clearly illustrates the gulf that liesbetween the people and their military. I, for one, do not think it is supposed to be like this in a democracy such as ours--wahr?
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