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April 11, 2010 at 6:10 pm #20128
DonaldBaker
ParticipantWell your scenario could have been applied to Bill Clinton who perjured himself before a grand jury. He should have stepped down after he was impeached, but he didn't do it. He didn't do the moral thing.
April 11, 2010 at 6:49 pm #20129willyD
ParticipantCorrect–nor did Oliver North, Ronnie, Nixon, Gordon Liddy and a host of others who believed that breaking the law was justified to either save their hides or is service to a higher good.In passing--is there any reason why at West Point the sequence is DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY?I should think the last would be first.
April 11, 2010 at 9:11 pm #20130willyD
ParticipantClinton was impeached–true and I for one believed he lied.If everyone who was indicted, was convicted and was somehow jailed, we would have a job boom amongthe turnkey set.
April 13, 2010 at 10:17 am #20131scout1067
ParticipantNor did he refute the proposition that there is nothing "inalienable" about our right to vote. If you are locked up in a prison, you may believe you have a right to vote, but do not--the right has been taken away--perhaps forever. I see nothing in the Constitution which lists reasons to deny the vote as the word itself is not found in the original document. It is up to the states to set the rules and a test for civic knowledge seems reasonable to me.
You agree with me, although not for exactly the same reason. Still, I like the logic path you take. What is worse? An ignorant man voting because he can and not knowing the issues to voted on, or an informed man making decisions that are obviously against his own self-interest. I would say the latter, because he is at least being an idiot with his eyes wide open.I am increasingly convinced that if people took the time and effort to make themselves aware of the issues many things would not be law and many people would not be sitting in congress or elected office. I could just be fooling myself though and people are really as willfully stupid as I fear they are. I remain the optimist though and hope that people will see that they must inform themselves and do so voluntarily, thus eliminating the need for a poll test.
April 13, 2010 at 2:23 pm #20132Wally
ParticipantShameless plug…
This post will end my comments on this thread; I will however wax philosophical on the matter at Civics in Action....
....I remain the optimist though and hope that people will see that they must inform themselves and do so voluntarily, thus eliminating the need for a poll test.
Me too.
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