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Can you think of any examples in which America has caught so-called “friendly” spies? Aside from Jonathan Pollard, a spy for Israel, I don't know of any offhand. Or, if you know of any spies in other countries who were “friendly”, please let me know.
Didn't we catch some French spies in the mid-80's? I cant remember the details but I seem to remember some French and even some West German spies getting busted in the mid to late 80's.
The Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal (also known as the AIPAC espionage scandal) refers to allegations that information regarding United States policy towards Iran was passed to Israel through Lawrence Franklin via staffers of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Franklin, a former Defense Department employee, has pleaded guilty to several espionage-related charges and was sentenced in January 2006 to nearly thirteen years of prison. Two former AIPAC employees have also been indicted.Criminal charges:On May 3, 2005, the FBI filed criminal charges against Franklin. The complaint alleges that, at a June 26, 2003 lunch, Franklin disclosed classified national defense information related to potential attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq to two unnamed individuals. According to media reports, the two individuals are Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, who were employed by AIPAC at the time. The complaint also alleges that Franklin disclosed classified information to "a foreign official and members of the media", and that a search of Franklin's home found approximately 83 classified documents.
Kadish was employed as a mechanical engineer by the United States Army Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center at the Picatinny Arsenal in Dover, New Jersey from October 1963 to January 1990. The charges allege that Kadish conspired to disclose national defense-related documents to Israel and worked as agent of the Israeli government from 1979 to 1985. Specifically, the government says that Kadish took classified documents to his handler's home in Riverdale, Bronx several times (including information about nuclear weapons, a modified F-15 fighter, and the Patriot missiles) and let an unnamed Israeli government worker take photographs of them.
Wish that could be answered. Did a search “espionage against the US” and those were the first two hits.
Isn't an even better question, why wouldn't they? Surely this only proves that they are not so naive as to think we tell them everything. If I were their leader I would probably sanction their spying on the US. Is it really believable that we don't spy on our own allies? I would be willing to bet that we spy on the British, French, Germans, Israeli's, etc.The only problem is that they sometimes get caught.
I guess my confusion comes from not understanding how some can justify it because it's Israel. Treason is treason no matter who does it. Our national security is far more important than Israel. Sharing intelligence is one thing, stealing it should bring the death penalty. It did at one time in our country's history.I'm just glad some of the employees of the NSA, CIA, and FBI think differently and see them for who they really are...anti-American criminals.
Given Israel's geographic position in the midst of enemies, I would think that it would be weary about getting on the bad side of its big friend in the West. I agree that we probably spy on the British, French, etc., and they probably spy on us as well. But Israel is in a different position.
Yes, I agree. And those enemies are also a threat to us. That's why I don't get why they have to steal intelligence instead of just sharing it. It's not like we're holding anything back. I also don't think some of what we define as “enemy” is really an enemy. Maybe hundreds of years ago, the Arabs were enemies of the West and Israel, but I think things have changed for all sides. I just question the motives of Israel. Pollard stole information to give to Russia!!! so he could negotiate a deal with Jews in the Soviet Union, it had nothing to do with (from what I know) the Arab or Palestinian threat. I feel like I'm the only one who sees this as bad, very bad.Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I feel that our unquestioning support of Israel is going to drag us into a very dangerous and unnecessary war with Iran. Perhaps this is a bad attitude, but if we're spying on others, and if it's keeping us safe, then so what? I sure hope we're spying on Israel. *Just for the record, I'm not anti-Semitic. As much as I fail, I try not to be racist towards anyone. We're all human beings created by God and placed on this earth. I may have a different belief (that I can back up biblically) about Israel than most evangelicals do, but I certainly don't condone the Holocaust or any persecution of them as well as any other race or religion. I do think Jews are on equal footing as anyone else who doesn't accept Christ as God or Savior. I don't consider Israel or the Israeli governement the enemy, but I do think we have better and more trustworthy allies than them, such as England, Japan, and some other European and Asian countries.Now back to other incidents: what about that Chinese guy at Palo Alto? Or did that turn out to not be an actual case of treason?
Given Israel's geographic position in the midst of enemies, I would think that it would be weary about getting on the bad side of its big friend in the West. I agree that we probably spy on the British, French, etc., and they probably spy on us as well. But Israel is in a different position.
Why should the rules of the game be any different for Israel?
Israel has much more to lose by showing hostility toward the U.S. than one of the other countries I mentioned – and by “hostility” I include spying, since it's a serious breach of law. On the other side of the coin, Israel has more to gain by spying on the U.S. since its situation is so much more volatile.
Just for the record, I'm not anti-Semitic. As much as I fail, I try not to be racist towards anyone. We're all human beings created by God and placed on this earth. I may have a different belief (that I can back up biblically) about Israel than most evangelicals do, but I certainly don't condone the Holocaust or any persecution of them as well as any other race or religion. I do think Jews are on equal footing as anyone else who doesn't accept Christ as God or Savior. I don't consider Israel or the Israeli governement the enemy, but I do think we have better and more trustworthy allies than them, such as England, Japan, and some other European and Asian countries.
Ski, I don't think that's necessary. I really don't think that questioning our ties to Israel should even remotely suggest anti-Semitism. Israel doesn't get a free ride, just as the U.S. doesn't get a free ride.
Speaking loosly here, but I am thinking the Japenese spyed us really good after WW2. The Germans too, and comes modern developement, et cetera. Oh, and Vice Versa. We learn by beating down adversaries, and yes, we still learn, but we have not learned that beating an oppenent yields anything. I suppose that makes us stipid.Glad I am not stipid. But we did get beat in Viet Nam, and stipid commanders insured it. Now we are in Iraq, stipid as that seems. Stipid is, stipid does. Oh, well. Glad we are not stipid.
huh? First what is Stipid i.e. definition please? If you mean stupid then your post is self-defeating.Second, I don't see what you are driving at by claiming the US has failed to learn lessons. What lessons?
