Is there any way to put a positive spin on this? Or is this just one of those cases of “History is what happened, not what we wanted to have happen.”1 Do we just have to accept this as being a horrible atrocity committed by Americans? Is the only positive thing that arose form this the fact that they charged a few officers with murder?1Scout1067, scout1067 profile, Western Civilization History Discussion Forum, Minnesota: Phidippides Caesar Enterprises. 2009. http://www.westerncivforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=182.
What possible positive spin can you put on it other than it shows that America does in fact prosecute soldiers guilty of crimes committed while in uniform?
Well, this may not necessarily be a “positive” spin, but did the media exagerrate the casualties? Where there legitimate enemy targets? Did the media embellish anything? I'm just wondering about stuff like that.
What little reading I have done tells me that most if not all, of those killed were civilians. There was also recent enemy activity in the area. If I remember correctly, Calley's platoon had been ambushed in that vicinity just a few weeks prior to the massacre and suffered quite a few casualties. I think one the reasons for the shootings were that the villagers either knew about enemy locations or supported the VC, which made them just as culpable as the VC themselves. I also think that the platoon was given a very vague op-order and were given to believe that the AO was a free-fire zone. That does not excuse the massacre, but it goes far to explain why it happened.I can sympathize with the platoon but not excuse their actions. It is understandable why they did it. At the same time, murder on that scale, is almost incomprehensible to someone who has not had the exact same experiences as the members of that platoon. I think what they did was unconscionable but not inexplicable.
Can you give us a little more background. I assume you are referring to an incident that happened in Algeria?Not too many people in the States know much about the French experience in Algeria. I have only read one book about it and I have studied military history for over twenty years. there is just not much English language scholarship on the Algerian War, there probably should be though.Update: I see now, it is something like what happened to Lidice.
Oradour-sur-Glane is a commune in the Limousin region in west-central France.The original village was destroyed on 10 June 1944, when 642 of its inhabitants were massacred by a German Waffen-SS company (the 4th Waffen-SS ("Der F?hrer") Panzer-Grenadier Regiment) On the 10th of June 44, all the women and children were taken and locked into the church while the village itself was looted. Soldiers proceeded to the church and put an incendiary device in place there. After it was ignited, women and children tried to flee through the doors and windows of the church but were met with machine-gun fire. Meanwhile, the men were led to six barns and sheds where machine-gun nests were already in place.Sturmbannf?hrer Adolf Diekmann claimed that it was a just retaliation due to partisan activity. A new village was built after the war on a nearby site and the original has been maintained as a memorial.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6946159.stm
Can you give us a little more background. I assume you are referring to an incident that happened in Algeria?Not too many people in the States know much about the French experience in Algeria. I have only read one book about it and I have studied military history for over twenty years. there is just not much English language scholarship on the Algerian War, there probably should be though.
The Algeria war brought many controversies, so what do you want to know ?
The Algeria war brought many controversies, so what do you want to know ?
Personally, I don't want to know anything about the Algerian war I don't already know. It was a classic nasty little war like many other insurgencies throughout the last century. It is hard to distinguish when the insurgents are Mao's little fish. Believe me, I know from experience that sometimes innocents die, especially in an insurgency. I would hesitate to pass judgment on any commander who faced what the French did in Algeria. If anything, they showed remarkable restraint given conditions there.The Germans are not the only ones to try and use the Partisan activity justifies reprisals rationale. The Russians did it in '44 and the French used it in Algeria just like Calley tried to do at his trial. The main difference, like so often in any war, is who the eventual winners are. Victory does tend to justify just about anything. If "Bomber" Harris had been German he would have been on trial at Nuremberg, it just so happens he was British and so instead of being a war criminal he is the mastermind of a strategy that helped shorten the war. It all depends on which color glasses you wear.
The Algeria war brought many controversies, so what do you want to know ?
Personally, I don't want to know anything about the Algerian war I don't already know. It was a classic nasty little war like many other insurgencies throughout the last century. It is hard to distinguish when the insurgents are Mao's little fish. Believe me, I know from experience that sometimes innocents die, especially in an insurgency. I would hesitate to pass judgment on any commander who faced what the French did in Algeria. If anything, they showed remarkable restraint given conditions there.The Germans are not the only ones to try and use the Partisan activity justifies reprisals rationale. The Russians did it in '44 and the French used it in Algeria just like Calley tried to do at his trial. The main difference, like so often in any war, is who the eventual winners are. Victory does tend to justify just about anything. If "Bomber" Harris had been German he would have been on trial at Nuremberg, it just so happens he was British and so instead of being a war criminal he is the mastermind of a strategy that helped shorten the war. It all depends on which color glasses you wear.