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November 25, 2008 at 5:28 pm #1389
Phidippides
KeymasterIn regard to having kindergartners dress up like Pilgrims and Indians during Thanksgiving week, one parent had this to say:
"It's demeaning," Michelle Raheja, the mother of a kindergartner at Condit Elementary School, wrote to her daughter's teacher. "I'm sure you can appreciate the inappropriateness of asking children to dress up like slaves (and kind slave masters), or Jews (and friendly Nazis), or members of any other racial minority group who has struggled in our nation's history."
Claremont parents clash over kindergarten Thanksgiving costumesMy question: is this comparison remotely applicable? The parent who stated that is also a professor at a school in the UC system.
November 25, 2008 at 5:44 pm #14204skiguy
Moderator“There is nothing to be served by dressing up as a racist stereotype,” she said.
OK, let's remove all pictures and drawings of Native Americans from all books.Let's take down all pictures or sculptures of Native Americans from museums.Let's edit any historical text that could be contrued as racist (even if it's true, that doesn't matter...we don't want to offend anyone)This PC crap is ridiculous ::)Unfortunately, it means people don't learn history or get a proper education anymore.
November 25, 2008 at 6:34 pm #14205Phidippides
KeymasterIt's the problem with post-colonialist approaches to history, which I would say are largely ideologically-based.
November 26, 2008 at 6:48 am #14206Stumpfoot
ParticipantIt's laughable. More politically corrupt..er I mean Correct nonsense. If you want to know what their relationship was like read a book called “Mayflower” by Nathanial Philbrook. The Indians were never enslaved as a people the way the Africans were, and despite the view point of some, I dont believe,despite the inept way they handled the indians, the Goverment ever actively promoted genicide.
November 26, 2008 at 8:30 am #14207scout1067
ParticipantRevisionism rears its ugly head. The Indians suffered the same fate as 95% of the rest of the world that had something that a stronger group wanted. They defended their land just as vicously as the Pilgrims and Settlers took it from them. Unfortunately for them, they lost. The new age treatment of indians is no more than another chapter in the myth of the noble savage. While many people were savage, I can think of few if any, that were noble. Demographics, internal politics, and lack of technology doomed the Indians. In some cases culture darwinism does demonstrate itself and European colonization of North America is one of them.
November 26, 2008 at 8:37 am #14208Phidippides
KeymasterIn some cases culture darwinism does demonstrate itself and European colonization of North America is one of them.
Too true. Ironic that now it's European culture which may be on the defensive...
November 26, 2008 at 8:42 am #14209scout1067
ParticipantOr perhaps it is just that history really is cyclical. Look how weel the various surviving Indian tribes are making out with their casino's, a virtually recession prrof industry. The Cherokee's in Oklahoma have a huge casino near where I grew up that rakes in millions every year and the Cherokee use the money to fund tribal programs.
December 8, 2008 at 8:52 pm #14210Stumpfoot
ParticipantThey are building the casinos left and right here. I have on not more than 30 miles from me on the Warm Springs Rez.
December 9, 2008 at 5:26 pm #14211DonaldBaker
ParticipantWell we'll be having this conversation again on how the Chinese bought up America in the 21st Century. (Yeah I watched Boston Legal last night). 🙂
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