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We talked about Roman coins in class today, and it was quite interesting. Ski, did you say that you did in fact buy a Roman coin (or a Roman fake)? If so, I would like to see an image of it (if you don't mind).
I tried to take a picture to post it, but it's too small and it came out all blurry. I have a Constantine I coin (genuine as far as I know) which looks similar to this except the campgate on the back has 7 levels. From the number of levels and the lettering, I determined it was minted in Cyzicus 324-325 A.D. Also have a Hadrian forgery, but it's still an old forgery. Both of them are smaller than dimes.
I wonder if the star above the gate refers to Sol Invictus, the Roman deity that Constantine identified himself with. I just read an article on that a few days ago.Here's one from Cyzicus, 324-325:http://www.dirtyoldcoins.com/natto/id/c/c411.jpgHere's another from Cyzicus, 325-326, with 7 levels:http://www.dirtyoldcoins.com/natto/id/c/c020.jpgYou can see the full database of close to 10,000 coins at http://www.dirtyoldcoins.com/natto/indexb.htmBTW, why do you think the Hadrian is a forgery?
BTW, why do you think the Hadrian is a forgery?
Because it was advertised as a foiree (sp) which means forgery. The thing with that is I would imagine they still had to be used during his reign, so it's still c.117-138. Probably minted by some stupid Parthians or something. I eventually want a real one commissioned by Hadrian, but for some reason those are more expensive than other emperors...$40 and up. The Constantine was only $12That first link looks exactly like the one I have. I could tell where it was minted mostly by the levels and that SMKB. I purchased the Hadrian one online and the Constantine one at a local coin dealer. He had a few more too.
I would share my modern hebrew transliteration of a roman coin, PROVIDENTIA, with the same design of a building and turrets on top.
Uploaded with ImageShack.us Their hebrew text shows the military character of this instrument "jmn", [hamman]. I think we must change our latin reading and recognize the hebrew language on roman coins. Here you have my arxive with the hebrew-phoenician correspondance of the roman alephat. Uploaded with ImageShack.us I might be misunderstanding you, but are you saying that's Hebrew text on the coin? It looks Latin to me.
Mr. Skiguy:Thanks for your feed-back, I agree with you about letters, they look latin, but words aren?t latin language. You should read PROVIDEN and TIHECHESS; finally, the exergue SMHE.We are misreading PROVIDENTIA, because in latin doesn?t exist PROVIDENTIH. You can?t read ECHESS or SMHE as latin words.Epigraphics are confusing A instead the evident H. Historiographics pretend read latin confusing transcription with transliteration; they are two different concepts. .There are more reasons to conclude that language in roman coins isn?t latin. We haven?t five vowels, only four. We don?t have some sounds or latin letters as J, Z, W, Y, U, K, etc.The most important question is that hebrew transliteration let us read and understand this epigraphy and links this image.You could visit my wall on facebook, there are some ancient coins with their hebrew transliteration. This new reading, deciphering the roman alephat, prouves that language on roman coins is hebrew, biblical hebrew.Here you have another example of a MAXENTIVS follis in this coin from Forum Ancient Coins :
Uploaded with ImageShack.us This evidence, (hebrew language was the only epigraphical language from all Roman Empire), shows the ideologie from modern europe archaeology. They are misreading, misunderstanding and confusing peoples history, they are building the modern Babel. We need to know the law in ancient roman coins, for having a great education of children, and finish with our antisemitic historiography. This coin of CONSTANTIVS, is another example of this epigraphycal falsification of ancient history.Uploaded with ImageShack.us The power of text and image links the character of this work of art. I know that my only opinion seems to be a crazy idea, but you could verify their goodness. Best wishes.Mr. Tony Garcia, yours is an interesting thesis (from what I understand of it), but I think it begs the question of why coins picturing Roman emperors and sanctuary scenes would contain words on them written in the language of what would have been a minor dialect in the Empire, rather than in the majority tongue. If portability was a major reason for the use of coins, and Hebrew was known only by some on the eastern periphery, wouldn't it be more likely that a more widely-known language be used for the coin inscriptions?
Mr. Skiguy:Thanks for your feed-back, I agree with you about letters, they look latin, but words aren?t latin language. You should read PROVIDEN and TIHECHESS; finally, the exergue SMHE.We are misreading PROVIDENTIA, because in
I believe the SMHE signifies where the coin was minted. The SM means Sacra Moneta (sacred money) I will double check and get back on that. I do know it is definitely NOT Hebrew.
Mr. Skiguy, In my only opinion, this exergue "sjmn", must be read as "(a)s_jmn", fire altar. This legendum is based in design of sin, this E is quite different, it seems to have a C and a E, both letters, as a monogram alef-sin. This altar is known as pagan altar, to bury this artifact on it and trow them, as defense against rebels.
Uploaded with ImageShack.us The most important problem with hebrew legends is that you need to be able in rabbinical language and their composition in ancients. In this coin, picture from Numis Ars Classica, Galba ADLOCVTIO you must comprove that the word "qlg(s)", legionary, doesn?t have the final samek. Mr. Phidippides: I think you are interested on my thesis, hebrew language on roman coins have been misread as latin. You can comprove that hebrew was the official language from roman empire. Antisemitics pretend to read Times New Roman on jewish epigraphy. I wrote some articles on a spanish numismatic forum, and there you can see more examples of hebrew transliteration of roman coins.http://www.foro-colecciones.com/lectura-hebrea-de-las-monedas-antiguas-f65/ Regards ADLOCVTIO means speech or exhortation (usually given by an emperor…notice on the left that the emperor is raised above the soldiers)in Latin.1 Where are you getting your information? ???1An Elementary Latin Dictionary By Charlton Thomas Lewis, page 25
If I remember my high school Latin correctly Ad Locvtio is translated as “to speak”. I too, find it highly unlikely that the ancient Romans used Hebrew on their coins. Wouldn't that be like modern American coins having Navaho on them instead of English?
Mr. Skiguy: I?m sorry, I made a mistake with hebrew transliteration of exergue in last coin ADLOCVTIO, "oytgaoltd", ending tet plus dalet. In my opinion, the meaning of this sentence, "oyt_gaol_td", [?wwatah ga?l tid], extols contempt for injustice, links the instruction to the jewish troops of legionaries. I can?t find the word "adlocutio" in my latin dictionary. This coin is the only ancient document with this word unregistered as latin word, "the custom of haranguing the soldiers", evidenced by the misreading of a variety of ancient coins with the same iconography. I trust that you can read the rest of epigraphy on obverse. My intention was to show the problems of translation of ancient hebrew texts. Here, the most important verb is [dabab], to flow and also to talk, to harangue. This new arxive of a coin with transcription CONSENSV SENAT show the same problem with hebrew transliteration, we have to choose, sin or samek.
Uploaded with ImageShack.us Oldest roman alephat as hebrew international alephat in ancients, had only one symbol to write the different sounds "s". This letter E, seems to be a latin vowel "e", and their transliteration, samek or sin, depends on the word. Here, the word "dps", meaning to engrave or to coin, must be recognized with a samek, and "nps", [n?fes], people, with a sin. We don?t have vowels in hebrew inscriptions from roman empire, so we need to vocalize them and choose the best base. Mr. Scout: It is odd that you, talk about the Navajo, why not about "Los Luna" people, since they apparently also wrote in Hebrew language. My thesis, hebrew reading of the inscriptions of the Roman Empire, demonstrates the futility of arguments of the historiography, the historians who otherwise excluded as unlikely to read the hebrew documentation, show where their beliefs are anchored. Regards.Do we have another Ivkhan on our hands? "Puts palm to face." 🙁
Probably.Mr. Garcia,"CONSENSV SENAT" is simple Latin that means "with the consent of the Senate", the Senate provided the authority for the minting of coins, even during the Empire. Do not forget that the fiction of Republican government was maintained until the Empire itself fell in the late 5th-early 6th Century.There is no need to stretch to make another language than Latin be used on Roman coinage. Occam's Razor applies in this as in so many other cases in history.
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