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  • November 10, 2011 at 11:37 pm #2987 Reply
    skiguy
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    …does this mean they support the coverup of childhood sexual abuse?

    November 11, 2011 at 1:18 am #26112 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    Aw man.  I am seeing how this issue is one that doesn't fall along traditional conservative/liberal lines.  I have long been a Joe Paterno fan.  Good man, great coach, old school, etc.  Based on the facts that I have read or heard about, he did report the molester to the A.D.  What was the context of the situation?  I don't know, and I'm not sure how many people in the public know all the details.  It does bother me that so many people rush to judgment, as if they know exactly what went on and exactly who is to blame and exactly the degree to which people are to blame.  I am of the opinion that if we do not have all the facts, we should without judgment.  So, not that I support rioters, but I definitely feel for people who don't like it that this is the way JoePa is going out.

    November 11, 2011 at 8:08 am #26113 Reply
    scout1067
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    If everything in the Grand Jury (the link is to the actual report) report is true, then it is certain that Paterno has some responsibility for Sandusky not being put in jail ten years ago.  Sorry, I can't even understand the students, I don't care how iconic someone is, if they even had an inkling that someone was molesting children and didn't do everything in their power to confirm the facts and stop it from happening, they are despicable people.  I have absolutely zero pity for child-rapers, in fact, I think child molestation should be a capital offense with the penalty carried out on the courthouse lawn.  I would personally carry out the sentence with joy if someone did anything of that nature to my child.It seems to me that the students are being kind of stupid about the whole thing.  What exactly are they upset about?  I think ski has it, there are actions seem to imply that they support the coverup of child sexual abuse if it means they get to keep a good football program.  There is something wrong with that logic.Yeah Paterno is a great coach and apparently a pretty good guy, but forced retirement after a long and distinguished career is getting off light for implicitly shielding an apparent child molester.  He is not the only one that should be facing dismissal at a minimum, the other administrators that new about reports of misconduct and di not follow them up should be sanctioned as well.

    November 11, 2011 at 10:31 am #26114 Reply
    skiguy
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    he did report the molester to the A.D. 

    He should have reported it to the police instead.  He may have been a good coach, but I can't say he's a good man. He aided and abetted childhood rape or at least the coverup.

    November 11, 2011 at 11:50 am #26115 Reply
    scout1067
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    He should have reported it to the police instead.  He may have been a good coach, but I can't say he's a good man. He aided and abetted childhood rape or at least the coverup.

    I have to agree with Ski on this one.

    November 11, 2011 at 1:43 pm #26116 Reply
    skiguy
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    In addition to my comment about him not going to the police, this just raises more suspicion with me that he was involved in the coverup.  Would he have been fired if he went above the AD?  Perhaps.  But once the news came out, he probably would have either been reinstated and the AD charged with a serious felony (as he should be now) or fired.  Or, if not reinstated, could have sued Penn State.

    November 11, 2011 at 2:20 pm #26117 Reply
    skiguy
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    Now there's death threats against Asst coach McQueary, the guy who witnessed the pervert raping an 8 yr old and reported it.  What is wrong with these people?!?

    November 11, 2011 at 2:26 pm #26118 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I admit that I haven't read the Grand Jury report yet.  However, I do know that there is a tendency in the world (mostly coming from the left) which wants to assign blame in indirect ways, possibly as a means of conquering their political enemies.  Not saying that is necessarily going on here, but that is what I have noticed generally.  I am also opposed to “arm-chair moralizing” which seems to run rampant on the internet (e.g. comments on news web sites).  It's as if everyone on the internet knows exactly how people should have acted all the time.  The judgments fly based on news reports which don't always contain all the facts, or only one side of the story.  This bothers me quite a bit, which is why I am hesitant to immediately hop on statements which are overly sure that XY and Z should have been done. 

    November 11, 2011 at 2:45 pm #26119 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    I agree, but that's not the case here.  Paterno knew about it by his own admission, and Paterno also knew that the pervert ran a daycamp for underprivilaged children, which to me makes it twice as disgusting that Paterno chose to not go to the PROPER authorities. 

    November 11, 2011 at 4:35 pm #26120 Reply
    scout1067
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    I don't think we need a lynch mob, we should let the courts work it out now.  I just cannot understand how it never came to the attention of the police.  There are several incidents highlighted in the Grand Jury report that should have wen to the police but did not for one reason or another.  I cannot see any rational explanation for why the suspected conduct was not reported.  The only reason I can think of for people not reporting, and it is not a good reason, is that even allegations of this nature tend to destroy people even when they are proved false.The only people I feel sorry for in all this are the kids who were molested needlessly because of missed opportunities ten years ago.  It is not as though child molesters don't know that what they are doing is wrong is it?Here is a very good analysis piece from the Washington Post: Penn State Coach Joe Paterno reaches a sad conclusion

    November 11, 2011 at 5:17 pm #26121 Reply
    donroc
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    I heard on the news that the original D.A. handling the Sandusky case disappeared mysteriously in 2005.

    November 11, 2011 at 8:02 pm #26122 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I agree, but that's not the case here.  Paterno knew about it by his own admission, and Paterno also knew that the pervert ran a daycamp for underprivilaged children, which to me makes it twice as disgusting that Paterno chose to not go to the PROPER authorities.

    I just read the Grand Jury report, and I hold the same position I did at the beginning; on the outside, we cannot claim to know everything that went on, or how everyone should have acted.  According to the testimony, Paterno heard about the incident second-hand; he reported it to his supervisor; the supervisor reported it a VP who actually had some role in overseeing the university police, and so on.  There are plenty of facts that are not mentioned that could make the case more or less condemning to each of the parties involved.  Paterno might have assumed that it was being handled by the proper people.  Paterno might have thought the assistant who reported it to him might not have been an entirely credible source.  Who knows?  I don't, and only few people do.  Yes, someone should have looked into it, but the person in authority does not seem to have been Joe Paterno.

    November 13, 2011 at 6:27 am #26123 Reply
    scout1067
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    You are right that the person in Authority does not seem to have been Paterno.  My biggest issue is that he was/is supposedly friends with Sandusky and he does no seem to have spoken to him personally about the accusations.  If nothing else, Paterno is apparently guilty of poor judgement.  Whether that is at the level of criminal behavior I don't know.  The Grand Jury does not seem to think so although they are pursuing Scooter Libby type charges against two other Penn State staffers.

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