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Although I'm not one to rely on polls, this is a good sign. Ireland likely to reject Lisbon Treaty.http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/0606/1212696236403.htmlThe Lisbon Treaty, to my understanding, basically gives up a country's sovereign rights to the EU.IMO, with free trade and open boders, they don't need this treaty.
Isn't the Lisbon Treaty the reworked version of the EU constitution that was rejected a few years ago? The Pan Europeans are still focused on creating a United States of Europe. For some reason they see the US as a threat while ignoring the growing power of China and India. Must be leftover contempt from colonialism.
Isn't the Lisbon Treaty the reworked version of the EU constitution that was rejected a few years ago?
I believe so. Only read some parts of it. Many people are confused by it. But I think, if passed, it would usurp each country's Constitution.
Isn't the Lisbon Treaty the reworked version of the EU constitution that was rejected a few years ago?
Isn't that really the case now more or less? The EU already wields so much power over its member states, I think it's just a formality at this point now. Britain is the only member state that retains its national identity, and they are withering fast.I believe so. Only read some parts of it. Many people are confused by it. But I think, if passed, it would usurp each country's Constitution.
As far as Ireland goes, they have their own Constitution and economic policies apart from the EU. If they vote Yes on this, that's gone and they'd have to do what the European elitists in Brussels say. I'm surprised France voted against it as well as one or two of the Scandinavian countries. However, not every country had the option to vote.
I believe that no country is taking Lisbon to a referendum specifically because they know it will fail. Even the German and French public are raising hell about this. The only ones that want it are the power elites. The EU to my mind is the model for what the UN will look like in 30-40 years. They will slowly whittle away at national sovereignty until it does not matter anyway because sovereignty is gone. This has happened in the EU with all kinds of regulations that national laws must conform to. What is the difference between that implicit legislation and Brussels handing down the laws explicitly? The EU is the slippery slope in action.As to seeing the US as a threat, I don't think they perceive the US as a threat so much as competition.
Lisbon Treaty looks likely to be rejected53% NO-46% YES so farDemocracy lives in Ireland!!
What's really amazing about this is the Irish people have spoken for all of Europe. So if anyone's looking for democracy and freedom in the EU, it is sitting on a green chair decorated with shamrocks and barley.
Saw this today and thought it was an interesting analysis.http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3340
Wow, that's a pretty slamming article of the elitists.At least some of them are honest about their "dishonesty"
Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker said: ?Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact??
British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said the United Kingdom would press on with ratification, saying: ?It?s right that we continue with our own process.?
This I don't understand. The elitists made it very clear that it had to be unanimous, and now that it wasn't, they're taking back this "promise"I think this is absolute crap
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner threatened Irish voters if they failed to approve the treaty: ?The first victims would be the Irish. They have benefited more than others,? he warned.
Yes, they've benefitted from EU membership, but this what I think is a big problem with it. It's helping countries that don't really have the capabilities of maintaining their economies without constant outside help. Ireland was able to maintain theirs because of good policy.
The Lisbon Treaty and the other similar EU expansionism represent the death of democracy in Europe. The folks in power have made it clear that this is what they want and do not hesitate to take a condescending attitude to the people. I thought the failure of the constitution a few years ago made it clear that Europeans want to pause and take a breath before they continue with the EU federalization project. The elitists have highlighted their arrogance and condescension by continuing to to insist that they no what is better much like parents to children. It is the ultimate expression of the nany-state.
