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October 26, 2010 at 10:28 am #2451
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Moderatorso successful at spinning the Social Security issue as fear? I was just arguing with a Democrat here at work this morning trying to explain to him what privitization really is all about…and it isn't what the Democrats are saying.Also, why are Democrats successful at spinning that tax cuts will take away important things like cops, firemen, and community hospitals? Why, in a Democrat's view, are those the things that need to be cut rather than welfare to lazy people?Republicans need to learn how to get their messages across more clearly./rant over
October 26, 2010 at 2:06 pm #22892scout1067
ParticipantHow come no Republicans are talking about shrinking government at the same time as they cut taxes? That is the question I have been asking myself for months now. I seem to remember that eliminating the Dep. of Education used to be part of the Republican platform but you don?t hear much about that anymore.
October 26, 2010 at 3:30 pm #22893Aetheling
ParticipantBetween what you say and reality, there is a tremendous difference. The Republicans (and others) can't just suppress departments (like Education) without any sustainable alternative. If they want to go back to the past, they lose the current supremacy. If you want to keep a world leadership, you must follow the rules and all its obligations otherwise you isolate yourself or you must assume all consequences, peaceful or violent ones. Wether you like or not, it's globalisation for all.
October 26, 2010 at 8:48 pm #22894DonaldBaker
ParticipantDemocrats pipe fear out to the masses to keep their vote. Republicans had their chance in 1994 to do the right thing, and they decided to act like Washington insiders instead, which is why they got kicked out again. One of these days these politicians are going to have to understand that the people are smart enough to know what they want, and will vote the people in who think like them.
October 26, 2010 at 9:09 pm #22895skiguy
ModeratorDemocrats pipe fear out to the masses to keep their vote.
And isn't it ironic that Obama is saying the Republicans are the party of fear, all the while saying if we don't do Cap&Trade we'll all burn, if we priviatize SS there'll be no money, if we don't tax the rich we'll all go bankrupt, etc. etc. Each one of these Democrat campaign stunts are total lies. Sometimes I think it might be good strategy for the Conservatives to just sit back and watch the destruction, but then again, part of me wishes they would just come out IN FULL FORCE exposing the lies and fallacies once and for all.
October 26, 2010 at 10:00 pm #22896garbanzo
ParticipantDemocrats pipe fear out to the masses to keep their vote.
And isn't it ironic that Obama is saying the Republicans are the party of fear, all the while saying if we don't do Cap&Trade we'll all burn, if we priviatize SS there'll be no money, if we don't tax the rich we'll all go bankrupt, etc. etc. Each one of these Democrat campaign stunts are total lies. Sometimes I think it might be good strategy for the Conservatives to just sit back and watch the destruction, but then again, part of me wishes they would just come out IN FULL FORCE exposing the lies and fallacies once and for all.
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October 27, 2010 at 12:47 am #22897DonaldBaker
ParticipantMy future Senator Rand Paul will lead that fight I hope.
October 27, 2010 at 8:20 am #22898scout1067
ParticipantBetween what you say and reality, there is a tremendous difference. The Republicans (and others) can't just suppress departments (like Education) without any sustainable alternative. If they want to go back to the past, they lose the current supremacy. If you want to keep a world leadership, you must follow the rules and all its obligations otherwise you isolate yourself or you must assume all consequences, peaceful or violent ones. Wether you like or not, it's globalisation for all.
As a matter of fact, they can indeed suppress or eliminate government departments that easily, provided they have the votes for passage in Congress. All the cabinet departments were created that way and they can be eliminated the same way as well. I am not talking about world leadership, I am talking about the US government and its primary purpose which is protecting and safeguarding the people and property of the US and its citizens.As to the Department of Education, it has only existed since 1980 and history shows us that the American education system was much more effective prior to its creation and the Federal governments unwarranted interference in education which rightfully is the province of the states. Education is the first cabinet department on my list for elimination but certainly not the last.Given that I am a strict constructionist I don?t see where the US has any obligations to the rest of the world other than those which we have negotiated by treaty with foreign nations. The idea of world leadership is bogus in and of itself. The US may be an example but should not be considered a leader. That smacks of some type of world government and we have the UN to arrogate that role to itself, America should not.Don?t even try and tell me that Globalization is inevitable. It is only inevitable if we let it be so. I am perfectly content to work and cooperate with our Allies but I see no reason to think that I need or even should be a one-worlder.
October 27, 2010 at 3:36 pm #22899Wally
ParticipantNicely put scout; I'm in agreement.
October 27, 2010 at 4:17 pm #22900Aetheling
ParticipantAmerica ain't an isle 😉
October 27, 2010 at 4:46 pm #22901scout1067
ParticipantAmerica ain't an isle 😉
Why not? A further point of discussion, by what right does any extra-national body demand anything of a sovereign state? The international system in the world is still Westphalian unless something earth-shaking happened when I was not looking. International Law only has the force that sovereign are willing to expend enforcing it. As a matter of fact, judgments of the world court are not legally binding in any real sense of the world. The only thing that really keeps the peace today, as always, is the implicit threat of force that backs up a nations or states pronouncements. Last time, I checked the UN did not have an army worthy of the name and thus no enforcement power. In the end, relations between nations all come down to power politics, who has it, and who does not. America can do what it wants right now because it has the power, that may change, indeed it probably will change in the future. My very first history professor had a rule that has held up as long as I have studied history it is Helstern's Rule of History: "Them that's got the guns make the rules". Despite peoples wishes, we do live in a Hobbesian world.
October 27, 2010 at 5:02 pm #22902skiguy
ModeratorMy future Senator Rand Paul will lead that fight I hope.
And especially after President Palin gives him a position on her staff. ;D
October 27, 2010 at 6:29 pm #22903Aetheling
ParticipantMy future Senator Rand Paul will lead that fight I hope.
And especially after President Palin gives him a position on her staff. ;D
+ 1 ;D
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