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June 1, 2008 at 11:45 pm #9184
DonaldBaker
ParticipantNot to quibble with Phid's example, but it's still awkward and should be re-written as thus:It has been suggested (need to say by whom here) that Egyptian religious influence extended well into the heart of the Roman Empire, most notably the House of Octavious Quartio who participated in the fertility rituals of the Cult of Osiris.1
June 2, 2008 at 2:40 am #9185Phidippides
KeymasterNot to quibble with Phid's example, but it's still awkward and should be re-written as thus:It has been suggested (need to say by whom here) that Egyptian religious influence extended well into the heart of the Roman Empire, most notably the House of Octavious Quartio who participated in the fertility rituals of the Cult of Osiris.1
So here's the way it would be put:It has been suggested by me that Egyptian religious influence extended well into the heart of the Roman Empire, most notably the House of Octavious Quartio who participated in the fertility rituals of the Cult of Osiris.1Then the reader thinks "wow! Phid suggested that thought in the footnoted publication?" ;DThat was the problem I come across....the reader may very well think that the entire sentence was based on the footnoted citation, rather than just part of it.
June 2, 2008 at 1:37 pm #9186scout1067
ParticipantFootnote goes at the end as always and you can add "emphasis mine" if you italicize your words to distinguish them from the secondary source. The only time you want a footnote in the middle of a sentence is when you want the reader to stop immediately and read a point about whatever it is you have footnoted such as a person's name or a place name etc....Usually this is done to denote that such and such a person is not so and so or not to be confused with someone else etc...This can be awkward at times and shouldn't be overdone. Just use discretion where possible.
Donald has it right here. One thing many students do is excessively footnote. Footnotes should only be used to cite facts and to give credit for thoughts or conceptss that are not the authors. It is easy to get wrapped up in the technicalities of footnoting. The acronym I always keep in mind when footnoting papers is KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid). Too many footnotes detract from the flow of the paper, only footnote things that are directly pulled from another source. It is not necessary to fottnote generally known or acceptedthings either. Ex. I would not footnote the fact that D-day was June 6, 1944 even though every allied invasion of WWII had a d-day. It is generally accepted that when referring to D-day one is referring to Operation Overlord.
June 2, 2008 at 4:57 pm #9187DonaldBaker
ParticipantTo be completely correct Phid, if you are the one suggesting something, you never cite yourself unless you are citing something you have published. You wouldn't use passive voice anyway. The absolutely correct way to write this would be:Egyptian religious influence extended well into the heart of the Roman Empire, most notably the House of Octavious Quartio who participated in the fertility rituals of the Cult of Osiris.1You then can clarify anything you need to in the footnote. That's what footnotes are for, to clarify anything confusing to the reader. Or if you don't want to do that. You can break that sentence up into two sentences to avoid the confusion in the narrative proper. I would suggest avoiding any editorializing in your sentence construction (by editorializing I mean interjectiong personal opinions or comments and attempting to employ them as established fact). When a writer editorializes, he runs the risk of turning his academic prose into a polemic. Just be careful. You can do your editorializing (if you must) in your footnotes or in an epilogue at the end of your paper.
June 2, 2008 at 8:50 pm #9188scout1067
ParticipantI have actually cited my own published work in papers for school. Got a surprised comment from the professor too.
June 5, 2008 at 4:29 am #9189Phidippides
KeymasterThis is another site for Turabian (and other) citations. Includes a way how to CITE AN ONLINE FORUM!! http://www.bedfordstmartins.com/online/cite7.html
August 24, 2008 at 6:08 pm #9190skiguy
ModeratorNot to get too personal here, but with all this I've been learning about writing well, I just wrote someone a good break up letter. Life sucks sometimes. :- I'm so glad I'm going back to school next week.
August 24, 2008 at 9:04 pm #9191BensGal
Participantit happens to most of us, ski, sometime in our life. better to get done and over with than to draw out the situation…
August 24, 2008 at 9:28 pm #9192skiguy
Moderatorexactly!
August 25, 2008 at 6:32 pm #9193Phidippides
KeymasterNot to get too personal here, but with all this I've been learning about writing well, I just wrote someone a good break up letter. Life sucks sometimes. :- I'm so glad I'm going back to school next week.
I really hope that you used correct citation in your break-up letter. ;DActually, sorry for your situation....it's a bummer. Greener pastures are hopefully ahead. 🙂
August 25, 2008 at 8:35 pm #9194skiguy
ModeratorI really hope that you used correct citation in your break-up letter. ;D
Actually I did. I wrote, You said in your letter to me, "blah blah blah bunch of lies blah blah blah"At 48 I think staying single is the way to go. I can handle the occasional loneliness better than I can deal with a one-sided relationship. I'll just immerse myself in school, and then I'll have the freedom to get a job anywhere I want! Seeing how much I will use school to escape my relationship "problems", I'll have 2 PhD's in 5 years from now (yeah, right!) ;D
August 28, 2008 at 1:30 am #9195DonaldBaker
ParticipantAt 33 I think having stayed single was the best move. 🙂
September 9, 2008 at 9:00 am #9196scout1067
ParticipantI have to add here that I am now happily married for the last 6 years. Being single was OK but life is so much better and fulfilling when you have someone worthwhile to share it with. I often think that I just got lucky, Lord knows my first wife was a flake and a decison I would redo if I could. My current wife hoewever, says that if we didnt have the history we did before we met we would not know how good we have it, and I have to agree with her. Having been in a horrible marriage makes me appreciate what I have now that much more.That is about as much relationship talk as you will get out of me though.
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