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Sorry Mr Baker.You are right we are very far from the title of the thread .That was the "Best Founding Fathers Quote"We are out of subject.I deeply apologise for this.
In my opinion most of the U.S founding fathers are very liberal on their religion beliefs and political views than most of us tend to think today.The second U.S president was a sympathiser of Unitarian church in my knowledge and attend many sermons of this church.Thomas Jefferson was heavily influenced by this doctrine it was true for Ben Franklin also.Unitarianism was a dissenting Christian tradition that denied the concept of the Trinity and the divinity of Christ. Unitarians instead believed that God was one being and that Christ was a human spokesman of God?s truth.
Deism was a reaction to Calvinism and those who adhered to providence and predestination.
Are you kidding ? Calvinisme was a tiny minority church.
"Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them." Thomas Jefferson"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." ~Thomas Jefferson Educate and inform the whole mass of the people they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. ~ Thomas Jefferson"[T]he flames kindled on the 4th of July 1776, have spread over too much of the globe to be extinguished by the feeble engines of despotism." "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty."Samuel Adams "The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks."Samuel Adams "It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel AdamsAny people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin FranklinWhere liberty dwells, there is my country. ~Benjamin Franklin Thomas Paine, a voice of patriotism, said, ``Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, . . . , undergo the fatigue of supporting it.'' "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." ~ Thomas Paine ``We have it within our power to begin the world over again.'' Thomas Paine. ``Our cause is noble??it is the cause of mankind!'' George Washington.George Washington knelt in prayer at Valley Forge and in the darkest days of U.S struggle for independence said that ``the fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission. We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die.'' Not long after the battle of Yorktown, Lafayette wrote home to France. ``Here,'' he said, ``humanity has won its battle, liberty now has a country.''John Adams wrote home from Philadelphia shortly before signing the Declaration of Independence, and he said, ``I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet through all the Gloom, I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means -- and that Posterity will triumph -- ''.James Madison one of the prominent author of the U.S constitution stated that ``government was the greatest of all reflections on human nature.'' He wrote that ``if men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government,'' he said, ``which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed, and next oblige it to control itself.'' From various sources : Library of Congress,Friends and public forefathers papers.
French helping hands were crucial if not indispensable to the success of American Revolution.As France and Ireland were hereditary enemies or rivals of Britain in the centuries preceding U.S uprising it is naturally that France chose his side during the dispute ,first secretly and finally openly .We must keep in mind that Britain was the most powerful nation on earth and France was very jealous of this status.The victory at Yorktown, the last major engagement of the American Revolution that effectively ended the conflict in the American's favor was only possible due to the effective help of French fleet and soldiers.With Irish men filling the ranks of Washington in one hand and French sailors on the sea in the other hand ?preventing Cornwallis army any resupply and/or escaping solutions ? the British?s defeat was inevitable.To acknowledge French dominant role in this battle the legend says that claiming he was ill, Cornwallis sent Brigadier General Charles O'Hara to represent him in the surrenders signing ceremony. Approaching the allied leadership, O'Hara attempted to surrender to Rochambeau but was instructed by the Frenchman to approach the Americans.
Although ,U.S Revolutionary war was the first on his kind in recent history, Britain as a former colonial power has experienced a lot of setbacks for its attempt to subjugate other nations. I think for British collective memory it is a part of game rules of colonialism. If King George III was very sad indeed this event did not traumatized British psyche at all. Still .Americans have vivid memory of their Independence because they view those events with quite religious devotions. I do not know any other people who cherish they independence history as Americans do.I am always struck by the respect they pay to the relics of their past struggles and the attention and care they display to preserve them. I can cite The Liberty Bell, the Flag of Fort Mchenry.The terms such as Tea Baggers, Sons of Liberty, Freedom fighters, Patriots are still popular among some segments of Americans society. And Americans are always reminded by the hardships that endured their founding fathers during their dare bid for freedom.The last not the least ,the early inhabitants of the New World are in majority the historically bitter opponents like Irish and Scotts.For British I think the American Independence is part of history and subject of jokes and humor.Take this testimony of Ronald Reagan during his first visit to Britain Embassy in Washington: "This is my second visit to Great Britain as President of the United States. My first opportunity to stand on British soil occurred almost a year and a half ago when your Prime Minister graciously hosted a diplomatic dinner at the British Embassy in Washington. Mrs. Thatcher said then that she hoped I was not distressed to find staring down at me from the grand staircase a portrait of His Royal Majesty King George III. She suggested it was best to let bygones be bygones, and in view of our two countries' remarkable friendship in succeeding years, she added that most Englishmen today would agree with Thomas Jefferson that ``a little rebellion now and then is a very good thing.'' [Laughter]"Ronald Reagan adress to British member of Parliament June 8,1982.
Although ,U.S Revolutionary war was the first on his kind in recent history, Britain as a former colonial power has experienced a lot of setbacks for its attempt to subjugate other nations. I think for British collective memory it is a part of game rules of colonialism. If King George III was very sad indeed this event did not traumatized British psyche at all. Still .Americans have vivid memory of their Independence because they view those events with quite religious devotions. I do not know any other people who cherish they independence history as Americans do.I am always struck by the respect they pay to the relics of their past struggles and the attention and care they display to preserve them. I can cite The Liberty Bell, the Flag of Fort Mchenry.The terms such as Tea Baggers, Sons of Liberty, Freedom fighters, Patriots are still popular among some segments of Americans society. And Americans are always reminded by the hardships that endured their founding fathers during their dare bid for freedom.The last not the least ,the early inhabitants of the New World are in majority the historically bitter opponents like Irish and Scotts.For British I think the American Independence is part of history and subject of jokes and humor.Take this testimony of Ronald Reagan during his first visit to Britain Embassy in Washington: "This is my second visit to Great Britain as President of the United States. My first opportunity to stand on British soil occurred almost a year and a half ago when your Prime Minister graciously hosted a diplomatic dinner at the British Embassy in Washington. Mrs. Thatcher said then that she hoped I was not distressed to find staring down at me from the grand staircase a portrait of His Royal Majesty King George III. She suggested it was best to let bygones be bygones, and in view of our two countries' remarkable friendship in succeeding years, she added that most Englishmen today would agree with Thomas Jefferson that ``a little rebellion now and then is a very good thing.'' [Laughter]"Ronald Reagan adress to members of British Parliament June 8,1982.
Phid - are you asking what they think now, or what their thoughts were then?
Vulture, my question was about their feelings today. How do the British teach the American Revolution? How do they portray it?
?Two hundred years before that visit, one of my ancestors had played a seemingly disastrous role in your affairs. [Laughter] Yet, had King George III been able to foresee the long-term consequences of his actions, he might not have felt so grieved about the loss of his colonies.Out of the War of Independence grew a great nation, the United States of America. And later there was forged a lasting friendship between the new nation and the country to whom she owed so much of her origins???.. Our close relationship is not just based on history, kinship, and language, strong and binding though these are. It is based on the same values and the same beliefs, evolved over many years in these islands since Magna Carta and vividly stated by the Founding Fathers of the United States.?Quote from toast of Queen Elizabeth II at a Dinner Honoring the President Reagan at Windsor Castle in England .June 8, 1982[/b]
Everlast, that's a great quote from Margaret Thatcher.
Sorry Sir it is the quote from Queen Elisabeth II only if my sources is wrong.Check in that link:http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1982/60882c.htm
Phid - are you asking what they think now, or what their thoughts were then?
Vulture, my question was about their feelings today. How do the British teach the American Revolution? How do they portray it?
?Two hundred years before that visit, one of my ancestors had played a seemingly disastrous role in your affairs. [Laughter] Yet, had King George III been able to foresee the long-term consequences of his actions, he might not have felt so grieved about the loss of his colonies.Out of the War of Independence grew a great nation, the United States of America. And later there was forged a lasting friendship between the new nation and the country to whom she owed so much of her origins???.. Our close relationship is not just based on history, kinship, and language, strong and binding though these are. It is based on the same values and the same beliefs, evolved over many years in these islands since Magna Carta and vividly stated by the Founding Fathers of the United States.?Quote from toast of Queen Elizabeth II at a Dinner Honoring the President Reagan at Windsor Castle in England .June 8, 1982[/b]
Everlast, that's a great quote from Margaret Thatcher.
I think America Revolution were a bitter story for Britain and British rulers were inconsolable during the next century or so .They accepted unwillingly the Independence by signing the treaty of Versailles but did their bests to sabotage the rise of the new country. They attempted to undermine the westward expansion of the Yankees. They tried to annihilate the economic growth of this nation by controlling the high sea. Those events led to the 1812-1814 WAR with U.S .They instigated conflicts among Americans by secretly supporting the secessionists but failed. In my view since the end of the U.S civil war British understood that their chance were doomed and cease to interfere in the U.S affairs.Two hundreds and thirty six years after the Independence this story is an old history for British and they have turned the page .I have this quote from Queen Elisabeth to share with you : ?Two hundred years before that visit, one of my ancestors had played a seemingly disastrous role in your affairs. [Laughter] Yet, had King George III been able to foresee the long-term consequences of his actions, he might not have felt so grieved about the loss of his colonies.Out of the War of Independence grew a great nation, the United States of America. And later there was forged a lasting friendship between the new nation and the country to whom she owed so much of her origins???.. Our close relationship is not just based on history, kinship, and language, strong and binding though these are. It is based on the same values and the same beliefs, evolved over many years in these islands since Magna Carta and vividly stated by the Founding Fathers of the United States.?Quote from toast of Queen Elizabeth II at a Dinner Honoring the President Reagan at Windsor Castle in England .June 8, 1982
I am neither American nor Irish my interest to the relationship between U.S independence and Ireland begun when I first heard and read the U.S national anthem. I was struck by the passionate tone and hate of British in the lyrics and I found myself turning my attention to Ireland it was in the ?80s . Somewhat it is quite strange and amazing that most of the Washington?s army is Irish.Well !I have done intensives researches on the subject and I have come to the conclusion that Cromwell successful campaigns to subdue Ireland have produce results far beyond his expectations. One of Cromwell?s legacies is the ?lost of the America?.The cruelty of the Cromwell?s army and administration led to the undercover massive exodus of Irish .This ,combined with the banishes, convicts and rascals sent to West Indies to serve as slaves .There were overseas a sizable minority of persons who hate all things British at the time . Early Irish settlers in America fled English tyranny in the old world and were determined it would not follow them to the new. Its no surprise therefore, that when separation from England was first proposed, the Irish were its most enthusiastic supporters. When the issue finally came to rebellion that support became the backbone of Washington's army.Is it coincidental if the first troubles began in Massassuchets then largely dominated by Irish.Youngters who threw rocks on the Redcoats in Boston were probably all from Irish ancestry, the incident that led to the so-called Boston massacre and subsequent events. When British forces left Boston to destroy the rebels at Lexington and Concord, their Major Pitcairn declared, "We will drive the Yankees and Irish to cover. " Not only were there 147 Irish among the minutemen that Apr 19, but when the `Shot Heard Round the World' was fired and the smoke cleared , among the dead were Irish who had routed Pitcairn's redcoats and given their lives in America's initial bid for independence. Those people were eager to rally behind America cause and settle their long disputes with Britain.Irish were the most devout Patriots because Ireland was also a British colony?a situation which the Irish had resisted violently for years. Those who escaped Ireland in search of tolerance and opportunity in the New World were as ready to fight British rule in the Americas as in their homeland. Their opposition to the English primed them for the new American cause of independence. .In July, 1775, when the Continental Congress was in need of finances, a plea was sent to the people of Ireland seeking support for the Irish in America. Irish-born Oliver Pollock $300,000 to help finance the revolution, and ended up in debtor's prison for his efforts.The largest ethnic group to sign the Declaration of Independence were those with Irish roots, Charles Dunlop of Co Tyrone printed the first copies, and the first man to read it before Congress was Charles Thomson of Derry ? Secretary of the Continental CongressWith the revolution underway, the Irish swelled the ranks of Washington's rebel force in record numbers.A letter from Ambrose Serle to the British Secretary of State went as far as to say, "Great numbers of Irish are in the rebel army", and recommended that they be prohibited from leaving Ireland [sic] because "they add strength to the rebel army." [resic] .According to Major General Marquis de Chastellux, "On more than one occasion Congress owed their existence, and America possibly her preservation to the fidelity and firmness of the Irish." General Henry Lee's memoirs noted that the Pennsylvania line,"might have justly been called the Line of Ireland." Twenty generals in U.S Revolutionary Army were of Irish ancestry. Ranked among Washington's most trusted officers were Irish-born Generals Wayne, Sullivan, Irving, Shee, Lewis, Butler, Montgomery were in the thick of the battle and Commodore John Barry considered by many the father of the United States Navy, was born in County Wexford ?unforgettable in the Irish popular memory Cromwell massacres took place in Co.Wexford-. Washington's personal Secretary was Major Charles McHenry and his Irish Aides de Camp included Joseph Reed, Joseph Carey, Stephen Moylan, and John Fitzgerald indicating just how deep that trust was.As officers and as soldiers, sailors, and marines, Irish immigrants added fire to the American Revolution, a fire that ignited a flame of liberty as had never before been seen.After the war, Lord Mountjoy stated in the British Parliament, "America was lost through the action of her Irish immigrants."George Washington acknowledged America's debt to the Irish in a letter thanking them for the part they played in winning America's independence. He wrote to the Marquis de Lafayette that "the people of Ireland need that critical moment to shake off the badges of slavery they have so long worn."Washington and the founding fathers continuously demonstrated their trust in America's adopted Irish sons and daughters. The first U.S President wrote of their pride in accepting membership in the Friendly Sons of St PatrickIreland gave America soldiers to win her freedom, and those soldiers left another legacy in true Irish fashion. Alan Lomax, renowned American collector of folk songs noted the presence of the Irish in Washington's continental army by the songs those soldiers sang. He wrote, "If soldier's folk songs were the only evidence, it would seem that the armies that fought in the early American wars were composed entirely of Irishmen."
When the Constitution was being debated at the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin rose to say: “The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see that God governs in the affairs of men. Without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.''
Hello!Without any second thought I pick John Hancock.Thanks to his courage and eloquence he was chosen to preside over the second Continental Congress. He was the first to sign the Declaration of Independence and eventually to be trial for treason and to be hang if not successful.Remember he was a politician from Massachussets like his mentor Samuel Adams .In my view Massachussets is the birth place of American Revolutionary since all uprisings ,turbulences and harassment over the Redcoats ignited there. .The shot heard ?round the world was shot there .Boston massacre and Boston Tea boycott also took place there not mention the battle of Lexington and Concord .Hancock and Adams were involved in one way or another in these events that lead to Revolution.Lastly with George Washington as commander of the continental Army ,it was John Hancock who instructed him the actions to take in his two years President of Continental Congress.According to legend, Hancock signed the Declaration of Independence so largely and clearly so that King George III could read it without his spectacles.
Hello!I am new member but neither American citizen nor resident.In my view the U.S would never exist as we know it today with all his grandeur and exuberance.Till the end of American civil war, Britain inconsolable mind over the lost of America has made all maneuvers to try to dislocate, the then emerging ambitious world power.The main cause of the 1812-1814 war ,was the Britain attempt to prevent the westward expansion of the hungry lands Americans .And during civil war Britain was eager to see the Union split apart by secretly financing the CSA and declaring its neutrality in the war.We would have probably four or more blocks of independents states all members Commonwealth had the Revolutionary?s war failed.
