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Wally
ParticipantPerhaps progress is the wrong word; what I mean is their interaction (good, bad, indifferent) with the incoming Europeans and the results of that interaction. The Columbian Exchange comes to mind first but there are surely more facets of the east / west interaction that have made a difference to WC.
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ParticipantNope, based on the part they played in the progress of Western Culture when it was transplanted to the western hemisphere.
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ParticipantThis (from another forum) solves it for all, eh?"To My Liberal Friends: Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great.. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wish. To My Conservative Friends:Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year in the 2010."
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ParticipantSame old situation… if you don't act sorry (even if you didn't cause any of it) the world assigns you the role of bad guy.
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ParticipantThe big guys took the market with lower prices since they used the more advanced methods that the little guys couldn't afford. Labor was cheap, machines that reduced the laborers needed not so much.
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ParticipantThreat; let Jiminy Cricket be your guide….
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ParticipantLike GW, we'll pay off the rest of the world for our sins… when we're broke we'll be forgiven; yeah, right.
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ParticipantBet on it!
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ParticipantYes…
... Mayas, Aztecs, and Incas developed independently of Europe and were not necessarily assimilated into Western Civilization, but erased by it (more or less).
Best reason I know of.
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ParticipantWell done! Cheers!
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ParticipantInclosure made it unprofitable for the small farmers; only the large landowners that could (and would) afford to use the inovations of the 2nd Ag Rev could really continue to farm. They needed less help to farm the same (or more) ground hence a bunch of underskilled and unemployed former ag qworkers become cheap labor for the factories. History at work… ;D
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ParticipantNo reason to be ashamed of being a proletarian
True, but Marx wrote that after the perfect communist society was established all the folks that (of necessity) had bigger desk, thicker carpet, corner office, etc., to get us to that point would step back to our level. Ever see an IC give up the goodies willingly? Only places a communist rev. took were in ag. societies and only then by selling the peasants a land-reform bill of goods. Yes the nasty landlords lost the land and it was given (read rented...) to the peons by the gov't. Just a change in the overlord, not the system. That isn't the US, UK, etc. So how come we think this is all going to be beer and hero pictures?
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ParticipantIf we do we all end up third world countries… how does that help?
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ParticipantAgreed all counts. One difference… Hilter didn't even have to speak a language we understood to be a dynamic and inspiring speaker, there was raw energy and an electricity to his presentations that is lacking in all quarters today.[edit] Just as well as this power would be seen as hokey and end up exploited to the negative on youtube, etc..[/edit]
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ParticipantHe was so good at telling people what they wanted to hear in a manner that promoted his agenda that I think he could have done pretty much whatever he wanted if he'd won.
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