Wally:I could not agree more. As I see it we are born in this country and not by our volition. As citizens Ithink we have the duty to vote and take part in the political,processes at all governmental levels. We alsohave a duty to defend our country when it is imperiled, to strive to obey all laws, to serve on juries andto contribute to paying for the cost of governing us. A two year service to America in the military or aneducational function or in a labor cadre, is a reasonable sacrifice to make for the benefits of living in acountry of such great opportunity and potential. All able bodied young people would be required to servewithout exception for beauty, brains or brawn of social status. This would be a true experience in on-the-ground democracy. It would, however, be mandatory with a small remuneration and a higher education chit as you indicated. Even high school drop-outs ( I was one once) would be welcomed withopen arms. I even have an idea of how we would staff the agency. Those going into the military would have their own cadre, but those electing otherwise would be served by military veterans, teachers andsocial workers--the iron triangle!I would vote that you be appointed Hefe.
He did not pick the Generals. He instituted a Social Darwinism of sorts by executing those that failed. It was simple, succeed and prosper or fail and either be killed by the enemy or your own side. He was the ultimate source of authority, yes but he did not direct military policy. Unlike Hitler he understood he was not a military genius and so let his generals plan campaigns he merely set them goals. They could achieve them or suffer the consequences. Leadership through fear of reprisal is not leadership, it is tyranny.Yes, I have read the Gulag Archipelago, ad I don't think anyone in America today is seriously suggesting we do something similar. Yes, everyone had to work, but then the alternative was starve or go to the camps. If Stalin was so great why were the Nazi's initially greeted as liberators? It was only when the people realized that the Nazis were more brutal than the Bolsheviks that they began to wholeheartedly support Stalin. I is also significant that Stalin revved the Orthodox Church and re emphasized traditional Russian(not Soviet Russian) patriotic themes to garner support during the war, even though all these things had been ruthlessly suppressed prior to the war. He even had to bring the Patriarch of Moscow out of a camp when he reestablished the Orthodox Church and allowed it's free worship again. He even put chaplains back into the Red Army. He was cunning yes, but it was the cunning of a loan shark not the greatness of an inspiring leader.His pre-war purges have a direct relation to the horrendous losses the Russians suffered in the opening campaign.Semantics: He picked the ones that won and not all officers that failed to live up to his expectations were executed--just a lot. As the ultimate source of authority---he was the leader and it makes no difference at all whether he won through fear and intimidation or through inspired leadership. In bothWorld Wars the powers hired and fired Generals looking for winners. In the armed forces all leadership is tyrannical. Do you imagine men would vote to hurl themselves into machine gun fire? While workingin Boston in the 1970's I had a supervisor who was a Marine captain in the Pacific War. He told me thatamong other duties the "gunny" had the task of making sure the grunts left their holes and moved forward when the officer led the group. Failure to do so brought severe negative consequences.I hope that you are correct about nobody in America wanting to set up camps. How about some for illegal aliens or those suspected of criminal acts such as terrorism? To refer to Wally's comment--it would get the lazy ones off the street and their labor could not only defray the cost of their detention, but help pay down the national debt.The people who welcomed the German troops were ignorant of the true aims of Hitler--so were many others. Of course you would support someone who was going to merely to exploit you (Stalin) thansomeone who was going to work you to death, kill you or render you into soap and mattress stuffing.As we agreed--Stalin was cunning--the Conflict was called the Great Patriotic War and "Mother Russia"not Communism are just a few examples of this. So--in the end I disagree with you. If anybody but Stalin (horrid creature that he was and no shrine to him exists in my house) had been in charge, there isa very very good chance, according to all I have read, that the Soviet system would have been oustedand German troops would sit on the top of the Urals. Just in case Homeland Security searches my home--I do have a bottle of Vodka from Georgia (the European one) which bears the picture of the" greatleader. We had training sessions in the former Soviet republics and a friend brought it back for me. I am staring at it as I type. His visage is on the label in full military uniform. I was told that it is verypopular there, but as he was Georgian there is some excuse.One final point. The Russian losses in the fall of 1941 were horrible, but in the end did not count for much. With almost infinite space and almost limitless manpower resources the defeat of Russia would have been hard. With aid from the allies and lots and lots of Studebaker trucks it got very hard. In fact,due to heroic efforts on the part of the Russian people and sacrifices of soldiers it became imposible.Stalin reaped the rewards. The quarterback gets to have access to the cheer leader pool; it is theDarwinian way. There is no doubt that he was the quarterback as much as we hate to admit it.
Wally:Babysit them is a degrading term despite its accuracy--try harder-wards of the people?You and I were lucky Wally. Apparently we had a secure home life, could function in the regimentedenvironment of school and were smart enough to pass exams. Not everyone has had our advantagesand the result is a large number of people who just do not "fit" well as the society has evolved over time.I agree that we cannot allow them to starve in the streets, fornicating, fighting, frolicking and frightening their betters. "What is to be Done?" I say the staus quo is the least worse of choices unlessyou would cozen Congress into setting up camps for them where they could be herded together, cared for and assigned productive work. It worked in the 1930's; it might work again--what say you?
I must have read all the wrong books. Granted that the initial invasion sent him into a fetal position andsome have suggested that he expected to be killed by his own henchmen. My argument is based on the fact that he picked the Generals, that he was willing to do anything to preserve his national Gulag. Readabout Nikita at Stalingrad--he was Stalin's man, as brutal as the boss and as effective. Joe was not a military genius, but he was as cunning as an outhouse rat and as amoral as a mob lawyer. He was the leader and end ultimate enforcer--in short THE BOSS. In my opinion he had the great peasant virtue of being stubborn. He was also an excellent bureaucrat--I have a soft spot for the breed.His pre and post war purges have nothing to do with my comments--he was a beast--worse than Beria.Yet he is still revered. Vodka erases memory. Remember under his regime there was no unemployment as everyone had to work--as Wally suggested we institute here--we lack the Gulag though--for now. Have you read The Gulag Archipelago?
Wally:I am surprised that you posed that question. Many people, some in my own family, are neither physically or mentally disabled, but have a real problem dealing with the fact that society expects them to work a regular job. Some people are just disorganized, others are lazy and shiftless, still others have personality quirks which make the bridle at being told what to do. I have known some who are goofy, others too fey for work and still others who find the idea of holding a regular job to be foolish. There are lots of people who fall into these categories and are not physically or mentally disabled--bruised a bit by the society inwhich we live, but sick--no. I have read that all nations have these "outsiders" even the Japanese!It was not so long ago that the factory whistle and the tyranny of the clock did not regulate the livesof people who worked, before the Industrial Revolution, more in tune with their nature and theirdesires rather than respond to the wishes of the master of cubicles. You must have had students towhom the whole concept of responsibility for time and place, or an ordered life and of the necessity ofobeying orders was either absurd or whimsical.So, in my opinion we are faced with the fact that these will always be with us and must be provided foreither out of Christian charity or some other motive such as the fear they may steal from us, damage our shrubbery or eat our dogs. I refer you back to the numbered list. Look carefully at number 3--it was Hitler's choice.
Unless we somehow revivify the economy, I suspect they will come from the south and not be blonds.Reality: There are some people who for a variety of reasons are not equipped to work a steady job.There are several options open to us:1. Institutionalize the--oops--too expensive2. Take them to the border and shove them across--oops--civil libertarian problems--they are citizens3. Shoot them--oops--problem--criminal acts unless sanctioned by higher authority!4. Shut up and keep supporting them--oops--too expensiveOf all the options 3 looks like the most cost effective--let it be an immodest proposal
Now that was unfair–foul!Stalin was one of the most amoral wretches that I ever read about. He was loutish, crude and totallywithout compassion for anyone.Yet--he is revered by many Russians because he saved them from the fascists--he really did. The historyof Russia is, as we all know, very different than that of most European nations--scratch a Russian, find a Tartar! Russians liked, loved, hated, loathed, cursed and prayed to him depending upon their situation. For a long time I read the whole of the Gulag Archipelago every year. No, he was not my hero and should have been strangled at birth.
You may be right–bread and circuses–an old formula that works, but once headed down that road youcannot go back without enormous risk. Food stamps are a modern example as are valium scripts.
AHA! Scared you right?The idea of a second CC scares lots of people. You recall that the first was called to adjust the Articles of Confederation--NOT to write a new Constitution. I know you take this seriously as do I and being "testy" does not appear to be part of your makeup--bravo!I have serious doubts that normal and peaceful means will suffice to bring about meaningful change inour governing process. Perhaps next election we will choose a person who can bring us together again, but until then we will live in our tribal enclaves (some walled) hurling invective at people who have the temerity to disagree with us. I also doubt that we will ever have another CC--so where does that leave me--perplexed and horrified. My wife just told me that every day for the net two decades 10,000 people a day (baby Boomers) will be eligible for SS and Medicare (Source--George Will )I sincerely hope that we can find a government that, staying within the Constitution, can find a way outof the box we have nailed ourselves into most securely. Enjoy the day--read Federal paper No. 10 andbe sure to grease the Maxim gun.
I am sorry. Try as I might, I just cannot accept the fact that cutting taxes will guarantee absolutelythat jobs (paying a living wage) will be automatically created. You know that the trickle down theory was discredited when Stockman let the truth fly out of the bag.You reveal your dark side. You said put welfare recipients to work doing menial labor. I too have adark side--I would have all white collar criminals (money thieves) assigned duties at public places cleaning urinals,toilets and drains. They would also wear a special uniform with a sign " I SOLD MYSELF FOR MONEYSTOLEN FROM PEOPLE WHO TRUSTED ME" As an added treat, during clement weather, we could have themplaced in stocks in the public squares where people could pelt them with the rotten vegetables providedby local authorities.We are never going to live in a world where everyone is happy and prosperous, but we do live in a world where some people have to be frugal because they are jobless, lack insurance and broke. Wedo not have to force these people to be frugal as they have no choice.We are in the greatest recession since the great depression--teachers are being laid off, libraries closed. schools closed, wages stagnant and a job market that is for all practical purposes crawling along as though in great pain. Many of us are hurting and the government--charged with the responsibility oflooking out for the general welfare of the people--will do what it determines as necessary. Hoover,often wrongly maligned for his lack of concern in the 1929-1932 crisis, could not get his mind aroundgiving people stuff. He thought it bad for their character! How ironic--the great Belgium food relief coordinator harbored such an idea. Many people feel the same today--do you?
Wally:It is my considered opinion that the students, the teachers and the "suits" as well as the politicianswould be scared shirtless if the public schools embarked upon a program of political critical thinking.Such an effort, even if only partially successful, might well raise the rage level to the point wherea second Constitutional Convention would be approved. Need I say more--you know full well whathappened the last time that happened.I will stick with my view that obfuscation will dominate the debate and that the sheep--blissful in theirunacknowledged ignorance--will continue to be what they are--sheep--and they do vote! If they become unruly--well that is whatthe Maxim gun is for.
Spawn of Satan! WoWStalin was a seminarian before he became a bank robber, bolshevik bureaucrat and Red Tsar. Ithink you are going to have a problem showing that he was related to Lucifer who, according to Milton's version, was a far far better creature than our former good friend--Uncle Joe.
Wally:You and I and my friend know the people ought to ask questions and constantly challenge the government. The government is not your friend--it is merely an imperfect instrument cobbled together for four years and attempting to run herd on an unruly populace.It is in the best interests of many elements of the society that the sheep do not ask questions, but fueledby horrid entertainment, booze, TV, drugs and cliches, and crippled by a sub-par education, work, obey,borrow money so as to consume products and essentially be good sheep--eat, excrete, procreate, consume and die.Also: You might get in trouble quoting Jefferson--stay out of Texas!