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So why lead? Any theories?
That's a good question. Seems somewhat odd that it would have been merely because of status because funeral stele that marked tombs were where displays of power or prestige would have been communicated; not with the underground coffin. Also, the lead coffin looked like a wrapped burrito of sorts, hardly something aesthetically-pleasing. So really I don't know why lead was used.
POSSIBILITIES: Lead is easily worked and formed into various shapes including sheets and curved surfaces. Water pipes in Rome were often made of lead--lots of people know how to work it. The Italian name for lead is piombo--akin the plumber! Lead is not expensive compared to bronze, silver or gold Lead in relatively inert--no rust and minimum oxidation--lasts a long timeJust ruminating.
Sorry to cause discomfort; my humor (or attempts in that direction) usually are to combat the symptoms you complain of... since it didn't help try this.
Thank you--my stomach is calmed, but my gorge remains risen. Time will cure all woes.
Wally:Warehouse them--great--how about Madagascar?
Why not? The penguins are in the zoo in NYC; according to the show. Or put the penguins in charge of the warehousing... Skipper would straighten their act out!
I was being ironic. You were trying to be humorous. I retch.
Nope, they failed to mention that... wiki sometimes leaves a bit to be desired but usually a close first approximation.This was a neat thread, thanks for your effort.
Wait till we do the Pederson device! Watch out HUNS!
Yes–the Germans had the better solution. In the spring 1918 offensive some storm troopers were armed with these and bags of grenades which permitted them to employ tactics that broke the British line. Logistics and looting slowed the advance and sent them back to their lines with horrible losses and a loss of a sense of confidence. The Thompson sub-machine gun which used some of the same principles arrived too late on the scene to be used as a “trench” broom which the inventor had intended. Many Bergmann's survived the war and ended up being used by police and para military units. Did the article mention that the Villar Perosa also had a bicycle mount–never saw a picture. The picture you have is essentially a Villar Perosa sawn in half and affixed to a stock–same mechanism–simple blowback–open bolt–fixed firing pin and sub-sonic ammunition.
Unusual weapon--saw it it military museum in Argentina--any guesses?
Due to the lack of response I shall reveal the nature and date of the mystery weapon.It was invented in Italy in 1914.It uses 9 mm parabellum ammunitionIt is touted as being the world's first sub-machine gunIts name is Villar Perosa and an additional pic is provided.
Getting a C is average. Being average is no bar to success, in fact it may be an advantage to social andeconomic success. Nobody is jealous of you and you have no imperative to innovate. You could join the Lions or the Rotary and be hailed as a good fellow.Thank you skiguy--you grade good!
As I told Wally, I am at a loss. Everything I can think of has been less successful that touted and in some cases lies were told to justify the experiment and the expenditures. I totally agree that that education or training is the single most effective tool that I can think of, but believe me when I say that in many cases the targetsare so far behind that remedial reading is required--sometimes for years--and this is very expensive.Another huge impediment are culturally induced values. Just as our parents taught us by direction or example that the annual joust with the IRS permitted the taxpayer to stretch the truth and even lie in the preparation of the appropriate documents, so too have our targets been inculcated that in their struggle with THE MAN itis permissible to do almost anything to survive. In my city a recent interview with over 500 youths revealed that most of them looked upon prison as a right of passage on the way to becoming a man and that most hadno real expectation of ever reaching 30. Food stamps are already part of our culture. To discontinue them would invite urban and rural unrest and lead to chaos and riots in the streets. Nothing so annoys a parent is a child crying with hunger pains and there be no food to provide for them. It leads to serious anti-social behavior. In this city private and public "feeding stations" (a horrible phrase since according to my wife it derives from the German words for feeding animals and eating for people--Fressen und Essen-- that provide one good meal for individuals. It is not really enough, but it keeps the lid on.I had steak last night--it was delicious and I did not offer to share it with anyone. What does that make me?
So you advocate bread and circuses for social control? To appease the mob? If we are to this point, I think we're already lost.
I had steak last night--it was delicious and I did not offer to share it with anyone. What does that make me?
A selfish capitalist, and you are probably corrupt to boot as well. ;D ;D
Wally: I am shocked. I admit to being corrupt--we all are and it is just a matter of semantics and degree.As to the charge of being a selfish Capitalist--I take umbrage. We are all selfish in some ways, but I am not, have never been and do not ever hope to be a Capitalist in any way shape or form. I come from blue collar working class roots and was a wide eyed listener at my grandmother's table when my uncles held forth onAmerica. My one uncle was a police Captain and County Commander of the American Legion and even hehad serious reservations concerning the system he served. I wonder if he had inner turmoil as he wielded his truncheon as a patrolman on the lower orders of our society here in the Queen City of the Lakes.How did I do one the quote front?
Uhh? That was me and not Wally, but you can be shocked anyway.
OOps--sorry--my learning curve is flat!
I had steak last night--it was delicious and I did not offer to share it with anyone. What does that make me?
A selfish capitalist, and you are probably corrupt to boot as well. ;D ;D
Wally: I am shocked. I admit to being corrupt--we all are and it is just a matter of semantics and degree.As to the charge of being a selfish Capitalist--I take umbrage. We are all selfish in some ways, but I am not, have never been and do not ever hope to be a Capitalist in any way shape or form. I come from blue collar working class roots and was a wide eyed listener at my grandmother's table when my uncles held forth onAmerica. My one uncle was a police Captain and County Commander of the American Legion and even hehad serious reservations concerning the system he served. I wonder if he had inner turmoil as he wielded his truncheon as a patrolman on the lower orders of our society here in the Queen City of the Lakes.How did I do one the quote front?
As I told Wally, I am at a loss. Everything I can think of has been less successful that touted and in some cases lies were told to justify the experiment and the expenditures. I totally agree that that education or training is the single most effective tool that I can think of, but believe me when I say that in many cases the targetsare so far behind that remedial reading is required--sometimes for years--and this is very expensive.Another huge impediment are culturally induced values. Just as our parents taught us by direction or example that the annual joust with the IRS permitted the taxpayer to stretch the truth and even lie in the preparation of the appropriate documents, so too have our targets been inculcated that in their struggle with THE MAN itis permissible to do almost anything to survive. In my city a recent interview with over 500 youths revealed that most of them looked upon prison as a right of passage on the way to becoming a man and that most hadno real expectation of ever reaching 30. Food stamps are already part of our culture. To discontinue them would invite urban and rural unrest and lead to chaos and riots in the streets. Nothing so annoys a parent is a child crying with hunger pains and there be no food to provide for them. It leads to serious anti-social behavior. In this city private and public "feeding stations" (a horrible phrase since according to my wife it derives from the German words for feeding animals and eating for people--Fressen und Essen-- that provide one good meal for individuals. It is not really enough, but it keeps the lid on.I had steak last night--it was delicious and I did not offer to share it with anyone. What does that make me?
skiguy:You don't give them any benefits until they straighten themselves out. Federally funded counseling? Yes. Foodstamps, rental assistance, free medical? No. Maybe someday they'll wake up, face reality, and realize that life is not easy. I totally support drug testing for welfare recipients.What about a doctor or lawyer who became a cocaine addict and lost his/her license? Do we "reward" them by saying "Oh, that's OK buddy. So sorry. Here. Even though you screwed up your own life by choosing to do drugs, have some free healthcare, food, etc. It's on the American people."? Or do we let them suffer the consequences of their own actions and choices?Do we equate these drunks and drug addicts with responsible people who have worked hard all their lives and due to the economic downturn, have lost their jobs and legitimately need the assitance? I get the feeling that's what you're saying here.Under your program they will wake up dead! No food, shelter or medical care--we provided that for prisoners of war in Vietnam. These are American citizens we are talking about--perhaps not the best kind of citizens, but citizens nevertheless. Were I an elder in this group, I would instruct the young men to go and rob those who had something as I needed it as much as they did if not more. The fact that this happens already without the benefit of my advice is beside the point.How about drug testing for Congressmen and Presidents? Can we count on your support?
Actually you can strengthen the weak by weakening the strong–two men–one weak–one strong. Deny the strong man food and you weaken him. Provide the weak man food and you strengthen him. But enough of this semantical nonsense and morning bromides. I am speaking of a class of people who are unable to competefor a variety of reasons. You cannot change that what is in an instant. Some of these people have been in adependent mode since the 18th century and any program devised to universally lift them to be happy andproductive workers in factories or cubicles has, in my opinion, little chance of success.When I got out of college I was part of Johnson's war on poverty and I experienced the phenomenon ofmany people spending lots of fake federal money on ill-thought out programs that were essentially sops tothe Liberals and window dressing for others. In 1965 my wife, a school teacher, got paid 100 dollars a week.By 1968 she worked in a program after school which paid her double her normal rate and even more if she worked summers and Saturdays. Did it do any good? No statistical data supports that conclusion in this small part of the world. When a kid comes to school from a home (sic) with poor food, little parentalinterest in his progress, ill clad and tired and oft times unable to read well enough to comprehend the text,is it surprising that he does poorly. So the question then and the question now is--what to do?Newt suggested orphanages to get them away from their parents and not everybody laughed. So, Wallyhow do we break the circle--I am at a loss?
Who would police them and enforce what few laws were permitted to exist.? Would there be courts or just summary punishment meted out by sworn officers of the law? This sounds as silly as some ideas floated decades ago about making life better for Americans by giving all the colored people the state of Mississippi and erecting barriers.
