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Recently watched long show on military campaigns of the early part of the Bible. Among these discussed were Abraham’s rescue of Lot, Moses flight from Egypt, Joshua’s capture of Jericho, Gideon’s defeat of the Middianites, and Saul and Jonathan’s battles against the Philistines. Although I had reservations about some of the conclusions made, it was quite interesting to learn about the warfare the Israelites engaged in for many years, circa 1300 B.C. and forward.
One of the interesting points was that there is archaeological evidence referencing a tribe of well-fighting warrior people called the - actually I forget the name. Anyway, there's some speculation that this tribe was actually the early followers of Abraham. They pointed to Abraham's recue of a hostage Lot during a nighttime raid as an example of his keen military strategy. I'm not sure whether or not there is a link.
Has anyone else heard of this connection, or know the name?I’ve heard similar accounts, and likewise I can’t remember the name either. The accounts of the Bible and the Torah don’t put Abram in the ‘rescue’ of Lot, which raises some questions about where they are going with their ‘research’ since the accounts of Lot are based on biblical sources, I wonder where they got the part of the story about Abram launching a Mossad-esque rescue operation? 😆
It’s interesting that you called it a “Mossad-esque rescue operation”. Right before commercial breaks during the program, they gave tidbits on how Biblical military operations were inspirations for modern-day military operations (i.e. the “Gideon Force” during WWI or WWII was a smaller squad of special ops soldiers designed after the Biblical-era Gideon’s decision to use 300 mobile troops over a larger army to accomplish his objectives). I believe Abram/Abraham’s nighttime rescue of Lot was pointed to as the influence for some modern-day Israeli nighttime raid, though which one in particular eludes me now.
And you point to the absence of a reference to Abram heading the rescue of Lot. In the program reenactment, they had Abram as the lead warrior going into the camp raid with sickle sword in hand. Thought you'd find that interesting.Genesis 14: 14-16 Abram led a force of 300 men as far as Dan, and then divided his forces and attacked as far as Hobah, north of Damascus where he successfully rescued Lot and brought back all his goods and possessions.
DonaldBaker wrote:Genesis 14: 14-16 Abram led a force of 300 men as far as Dan, and then divided his forces and attacked as far as Hobah, north of Damascus where he successfully rescued Lot and brought back all his goods and possessions.
Good point. I was thinking that they were talking about Lot's hurried escape from Sodom before the fire started falling 🙄Just kind of a side point on Abram's rescue of his nephew lot. When he was returning they met the priest Melchizedek (meaning king of righteousness), king of salem and gave him a tenth of the spoil, many scholers believe that Melchizedek may have been Shem, Noahs son, Shems life overlapped that of Abram by many years. Shem's death occured 13 years after Sarah, and ten years after the marriage of Issac and Rebekah.
I believe there are both Egyptian and Babylonian references to the Tribe of Israel though I am not 100% certain. Ancient History is not my specialty. I just dabble.
I believe there are both Egyptian and Babylonian references to the Tribe of Israel though I am not 100% certain. Ancient History is not my specialty. I just dabble.
This would be interesting to debate about what primary sources are relating to Israel and its History.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a015.htmlhttp://web.archive.org/web/19970707095227/http://staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu/~jacka/ANET/sennacherib_inscription.html
Thanks but both are related to the Bible.http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/assyria/taylor-prism.html http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a015.html I'm looking for external primary sources, not about biblical related ones
That Sennacherib thing isn't from the Bible. JMO, I think most of the primary stuff you're going to find would have to do with whoever the ruling kingdom was at the time. Cyrus II has a decree(s) about them as do some others.Most of this is biblical, but there's some other sources here as well.
I don't know how this information can be linked to the Kingdom of Judah but it seems that Israel today's army is on top about stealth operations !! :-http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100128/tod-israeli-soldiers-get-odour-free-sock-7f81b96.html
I don't know how this information can be linked to the Kingdom of Judah but it seems that Israel today's army is on top about stealth operations !! :-http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100128/tod-israeli-soldiers-get-odour-free-sock-7f81b96.html
Too funny. 🙂
