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April 8, 2009 at 7:37 pm #1542
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ModeratorAre liberal, ivy league colleges this stupid? Apparently so.Brown faculty drop Columbus Day observance
The faculty of Brown University has voted to replace the Columbus Day holiday with a new holiday in October, it was announced on Wednesday.Brown said in a news release that the decision was based on "the nature of Christopher Columbus's conquests and treatment of Native Americans."
I heard on the radio they are changing it to "Fall Weekend"I would love to attend a class at Brown just to ruffle feathers and challenge their alleged intellect. *Phid, if this isn't the appropriate section to post this, please move it.
April 9, 2009 at 12:53 am #15224Phidippides
KeymasterThis can be the official “Save Columbus” thread. 🙂
April 9, 2009 at 1:10 am #15225skiguy
ModeratorThere's a lot of Italians in RI, I don't expect this to remain quiet. This just proves, along with all the other stuff they come up with, that liberal universities are teaching students to be ashamed of Western Civilization.
April 9, 2009 at 10:10 am #15226yvettegr
ParticipantThe students and faculty at Brown are correct. Columbus was not the hero we were taught in earlier history books. More recent history books are more truthful about him.This has nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with historical accuracy.You can check out my video about Columbus (which is historically accurate) on youtube at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT5cIeHPR-c&feature=channel_pageIf the video seems to run too quickly for you to read the information, hit the pause/play button to stop it temporarily while you read. Then hit the pause/play button to start it up again.Columbus did not discover America. The Vikings had settlements here (actually in North America) hundreds of years before. Columbus never even set foot on United States soil. He died thinking he had found a better trade route to India (hence First Nation people are called Indians).Columbus engaged in genocide against the populations where he landed.I urge everyone to research history and not rely on the inaccuracies you were taught years ago. There were lots of inaccurate stories in those history texts. My video above is a good starting place.
April 9, 2009 at 10:31 am #15227skiguy
ModeratorColumbus engaged in genocide against the populations where he landed.
Do you even know the proper definition of genocide?So if Columbus killed Indians as an act of self-defense it is considered genocide? What was it called when the Tainos killed all of Columbus' men AFTER Columbus befriended them? Brown and you seem to conveniently omit that fact. Either that or you just don't know it. Those who study history with an already preconceived bias will alter it, as you and Brown University have proven. They are also unable to know history. Very sad.What is it called when those "evil" Eruopean imperialists bring medicine, better farming methods, prosperity, Christianity, education, and enlightenment to America? And why ban Columbus. Might as well go all the way and ban the Spanish too who did all this. I guess those "edenic" villages of teh West Indies didn't practive cannibalism and have problems with curable diseases such as hepatitus. Good thing WHITE EUROPEANS brought medicine. There would be a lot more did if that wasn't the case. But no, WHITE EUROPEANS are only blamed for bringing smallpox and it is even implied that these Europeans did that on purpose..you know? Genocide? (by the way, that's the proper definition of genocide...a deliberate extermination of a population). Just a question for those with common sense, why would the Spanish deliberately exterminate a population (as you and Brown accuse) if they wanted them as a labor force? Doesn't make any sense.And since everyone is on their feel-good PC campaigns, why not remove the name Brown from Brown? He was a major slave trader in RI. Why is everyone so ashamed of Western Civilization?Wars happened. People were killed. No one denies that. But why is it only considered evil for one and not the other?I guess those Pilgrims were evil too, huh? But I'm sure there's a course at Brown for this too.And let's see. Some in RI want to remove the name "plantations" from the official state name as well. Why? That name in the north has nothing to do with slavery. It is only beause the word is offensive to some. It really is too bad so many people are ignorant of history.
April 9, 2009 at 2:32 pm #15228frebo3
ParticipantIf Columbus Day is so offensive to the PC students and faculty at Brown, how come they continue to support an institution built on and by slavery!The founders of Brown University owned slaves, traded in slaves, and the most historic building on campus, University Hall, was BUILT by slaves!The early Browns were either ministers or slavers - and there wasn?t any money in the ministry business!Even the Brown University web site at http://tinyurl.com/2ts7vc admits that the Brown family fortune was made in the SLAVE TRADE!Let's see a Brown student/faculty "renaming" resolution on THAT issue! >:(
April 9, 2009 at 3:43 pm #15229scout1067
ParticipantSki, You are barking up the wrong tree trying to talk sense here. The internet is cool. ;D Here is a quote from yvettegr I found on another site in refernce to gay marriage:
As to marriage. The religious right in the last 15-20 years has been saying that traditionally marriage was always a union between a man and a woman. This is completely untrue. Unfortunately, you, the media, and ordinary folk have bought into this. Historically the word marriage and marry has meant to bind something together. Sailors marry rope together, for example. The Catholic Church has many marriage ceremonies to sanctify different types of unions. Nuns marry Jesus in a marriage ceremony. The consecration of a Catholic Priest is nothing more than a marriage ceremony between the Catholic priest and the Mother Church. In medieval times the Catholic Church actually had a marriage type ritual that two men could engage in if they wanted to sanctify their friendship and put it on a higher spiritual plane. So, anytime you hear someone say that marriage has been traditionally between a man and a woman, dispute it. There is no historical data to support that statement. Keep up the good work with your column. I read it religiously. 🙂 Sincerely, Heilan Yvette Grimes
This is the link: reply to meaningless rant The reply is about 1/3 down the page. She is hopelessly liberal and will refuse to believe or cast aspersion on any evidence you provide to dispute her claims. That is if she even deigns to respond to such obvious oppressors like us.I would like to know the source of the supposed medieval Catholic male bonding ritual. She is also wrong in her claims that nuns and priests marry the church, they symbolically wed God.Rant beginsI am rapidly running out of patience with the leftist types that don't want to change America, they want to remake it to fit their ideals. I have started to become very blunt and direct with responses to their views. I will call their idiocy like I see it. They don't hesitate to heap vile calumny and condemnation on those that disagree with them They are winning the culture battle not on the merits of their ideals but on the sheer volume and multiplication of their lies and falsehoods in combination with their attacks on conservative traditional values. They need to be met with the same vehemence, but traditionalists must only use the truth, which scares liberals. They are like rats or cockroaches, when the light is shined upon them they scurry for cover. Rant ends
April 9, 2009 at 4:15 pm #15230skiguy
ModeratorI will call their idiocy like I see it.
AMEN BROTHER!!Those of us who know AND WHO WILL NOT CHANGE history to fit an agenda will fight this and all that other revisionist, Leftist, American and Western hating garbage until we die. I'm ready. In 10 minutes of research...yes 10 minutes...I found evidence that disproves EVERY claim the Brown fools have made about this.I can't wait for the first URI vs Brown football game!! I expect tons of HAPPY COLUMBUS DAY signs on the URI side. No wonder we chanted "What's the color of crap? (although we used a more explicitive word) BROWN" at every football game.
August 22, 2009 at 11:01 am #15231scout1067
ParticipantI can't wait for the first URI vs Brown football game!! I expect tons of HAPPY COLUMBUS DAY signs on the URI side. No wonder we chanted "What's the color of crap? (although we used a more explicitive word) BROWN" at every football game.
Now that is Funny. ;D ;D ;D
September 9, 2009 at 9:18 am #15232skiguy
ModeratorColumbus did not discover America. The Vikings had settlements here (actually in North America) hundreds of years before.
The Vikings didn't really discover America. Their settlements lasted a generation if that and those short-lived settlements were only in Newfoundland.
September 9, 2009 at 1:57 pm #15233Wally
Participantrather than go back through the whole Who Really Discovered America thread we can save lots of rehashing and quotes within quotes to say that C2 was the one that mattered because something came of it… it drove history. Those folks previous (and the record indicates there were some and might have been more), like Brown, drooped the ball. ;D
September 9, 2009 at 3:28 pm #15234skiguy
ModeratorWally, when I did the latest post I was going to mention something along these lines: Columbus' discovery was famous throughout Europe and it encouraged others.(and in all actuality, was it really about discovering, or was it more about conquering a new land? ;D)
September 9, 2009 at 3:36 pm #15235Wally
Participant(and in all actuality, was it really about discovering, or was it more about conquering a new land? ;D)
In a nutshell, both. The biggest thing is the connection that tied the new and old world together... both sides gained from the so-called Columbian Exchange neither would have done as well insolation. It wasn't all positive... the connection started Spain on a path that would ultimately drop them to a lowere standing among nations but that's another story.
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