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November 27, 2007 at 10:17 pm #918
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ModeratorWhat made Cyrus “great”? I think it was because of his religious tolerance (he restored temples of lands he conquered), he had people of native lands, as well as Persians, in his government, he showed great repect for ancient civilizations by incorporating their practices, and he was a peacemaker. All (most?) those he conquered considered Cyrus their legitimate ruler.
November 27, 2007 at 11:30 pm #10233DonaldBaker
ParticipantWhat made Cyrus "great"? I think it was because of his religious tolerance (he restored temples of lands he conquered), he had people of native lands, as well as Persians, in his government, he showed great repect for ancient civilizations by incorporating their practices, and he was a peacemaker. All (most?) those he conquered considered Cyrus their legitimate ruler.
You pretty much nailed it.
November 28, 2007 at 11:11 am #10234skiguy
ModeratorSo far he's my “favorite” ruler. He certainly sets the bar high. I'm curious about how much religious tolerance plays a role in defining a good leader (and also if it caused the downfall of any)
November 28, 2007 at 11:59 pm #10235Phidippides
KeymasterI suppose one can either subjugate people by show of raw force or by making them satisfied. Cyrus chose the latter.Looks like there's some kind of documentary on Cyrus coming out, at least potentially.
November 29, 2007 at 1:42 am #10236skiguy
ModeratorThat was a really good video! Thanks for that link. Hope they get that $430,000 needed though. 😮
November 29, 2007 at 3:15 pm #10237Wally
ParticipantWhat made Cyrus "great"? I think....
Don't forget he came to power leading a revolt against the Medes that had ruled the Persians for 150 years or so. Heroic beginning to the Persian Empire plus all the good things you listed. Yup, he earned the Great moniker.
July 17, 2008 at 7:02 am #10238Phidippides
KeymasterLooks like not everyone thinks he was all that “great” after all. Cyrus cylinder's ancient bill of rights 'is just propaganda'It does puzzle me to see this...is it really worth it to go about criticizing ancient rulers as "despots"?
July 17, 2008 at 8:26 am #10239skiguy
ModeratorI think this is more about anti-Iran propaganda than anti-Cyrus.
For all the criticisms of the Cyrus cylinder, it is unlikely to change perceptions of it in Iran, where Cyrus and the cylinder are regarded with intense national pride.
July 17, 2008 at 3:19 pm #10240Phidippides
KeymasterGood point….I hadn't thought of that. When I read the article I thought that lines like "The ancient Persians were not some early form of Swedish Social Democrats" were somewhat stupid. After all, which historical rulers would ever have adopted policies on par with the Swedish Social Democrats....except the Swedish Social Democrats?
July 30, 2008 at 5:56 pm #10241Ryngrf975
ParticipantThis is fascinating, with the addition of the article criticism; do you really think someone like Cyrus can conquer so much with so little force?
July 30, 2008 at 6:17 pm #10242skiguy
ModeratorIt seems to most of the people he conquered, he was viewed as a liberator. Perhaps he didn't need to use much force.
July 30, 2008 at 10:18 pm #10243skiguy
ModeratorAnother thing,too, the Persian Empire developed a very good road system so they were able to move large militaries without that much difficulty. Anyone they conquered became a part of the empire, that means the armies too. So Cyrus really didn't have a little force. It was quite massive.
August 25, 2010 at 2:11 am #10244Phidippides
KeymasterAnother thing,too, the Persian Empire developed a very good road system so they were able to move large militaries without that much difficulty. Anyone they conquered became a part of the empire, that means the armies too. So Cyrus really didn't have a little force. It was quite massive.
Massive it was - 300,000 strong. I just heard a factoid that the shah in Iran, of which Cyrus the Great was the first (c. 6th century B.C.), only ended in 1979 making it the longest running imperial monarchy in history.
August 25, 2010 at 8:36 am #10245skiguy
ModeratorI just heard a factoid that the shah in Iran, of which Cyrus the Great was the first (c. 6th century B.C.), only ended in 1979 making it the longest running imperial monarchy in history.
But didn't the Ottoman Empire take them over?
August 25, 2010 at 1:59 pm #10246donroc
ParticipantCannot resist sharing my pun, which Herodotus may have taken in another vein: One man's Mede is another man's Persian.
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