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December 7, 2011 at 2:49 pm #3014
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ParticipantI recognition of Pearl Harbor Day….
- 16,112,566 individuals were members of the United States armed forces during World War II.
- There were 291,557 battle deaths, 113,842 other deaths in service (non-theater), and 670,846 non-mortal woundings.
- In May 2011, the Department of Veterans Affairs estimated that approximately 2,079,000 American veterans are still living.
- Approximately 850 American World War II veterans die every day. The median age for a World War II veteran in February 2009 was 86 years.
If you know a WWII vet or happen to encounter one, be sure to pay your respects for their service to this country.
December 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm #26229donroc
ParticipantI was 9 1/2 years old seventy years ago, and if you want to know what it was like for kids in San Francisco during the war, feel free to ask.Some memories:On the morning of Dec. 8, several neighbors loaded their cars with valued possesions and food. Fearing an immediate invasion they planned to head for the Sierras. At our elementary school that same day most boys were frustrated the were no "japs" to beat up for the sneak attack.An older cousin with the last name Sokolow (a nice Russian surname) went to his bank to withdraw some money, and he was refused because his name sounded "Japanese."Chinese Americans began to wear pins with crossed U.S. and Chinese flags so they would not be harrassed for being Japanese.
December 7, 2011 at 3:53 pm #26230Phidippides
KeymasterI was 9 1/2 years old seventy years ago, and if you want to know what it was like for kids in San Francisco during the war, feel free to ask.
I am curious - I know that there was some concern about a Japanese bombing run on the West Coast and that the U.S. had anti-aircraft guns in certain locations, but how real was the preparation? As a child, did you have to do drills where you ran for cover? Did you fear an imminent invasion from the sky?
December 7, 2011 at 5:31 pm #26231donroc
ParticipantI am curious - I know that there was some concern about a Japanese bombing run on the West Coast and that the U.S. had anti-aircraft guns in certain locations, but how real was the preparation? As a child, did you have to do drills where you ran for cover? Did you fear an imminent invasion from the sky?
Before the attack on Pearl Harbor, theonly preparations I was aware of were film and media propaganda. After Pearl Harbor, there were anti-aircraft preparations at the Presidio. I learned to "spot" enemy and our own aircraft.My parents and most others we knew were calm, so abject fear did not overwhelm us. We did have air raid drills at our neighborhood school, and the teachers walked us out in groups to let us disperse for home, but I do not remember any air raid shelters. For a short time there were blackouts at night. My future wife's German Jewish family in L.A., who had escaped Nazi German in 1938, had a 6PM curfew. In SF, some Italians had their radios confiscated. After a while we did not fear any Japanese bombing raids. My friends and I used to carry our toy guns to Golden Gate Park and look for defensive positions we saw in films like Wake Island and pretend to hold off the "Japs."The schools kept us busy aside from learning with organized paper, tinfoil, and war bond drives.Of course we had gas, sugar, coffee, butter, and other items rationed. I suspect my mother served horsemeat steaks during the war. I had giant theater of war maps in my bedroom with flags of all warring nations that I glued to pins. I followed the news each day and moved the pins accordingly. A great way to learn geography.Looking back, I would say that after the initial shock of the attack, our lives were fairly normal except for the minor inconveniences of rationing.No civilian autos were produced during the war.One more thing, buttons replaced zippers to save the metal for the war effort, and in junior high, we played "Jack the Ripper" -- a quick swipe of the hand could flip away the buttons on a victim's fly.
December 7, 2011 at 7:23 pm #26232Phidippides
KeymasterThat's interesting that after a while you no longer feared Japanese bombing. I recall hearing that Japan was busy building a bomber which could fly higher than American fighters could reach in order to drop biological weapons, perhaps on San Diego. This was going on at the end of the war, and perhaps the sparseness of attacks on the coast led to the sense that there was a great deal of security there (with that in mind, I made a post a while back about California's situation during the war).Speaking of rationing, my aunt said that in the Midwest, she and others were supposed to do their "part" in the war effort by walking alongside rural roads to pick up stuff that could be used (I'm guessing metal, rubber, etc.). She says that she thinks it was done more to keep them busy and part of the war effort than to actually use the material.
December 7, 2011 at 9:25 pm #26233donroc
ParticipantKeeping busy — that was said later about the paper drives too. Of course we did not know about any Japanese superbomber. Biggest worry was “loose lips sinking ships” and of course those who had loved ones in the service.You might be interested in the now forgotten amazing Homer Lea whose book The Valor of Ignorance, published in 1908, that predicted inevitable war between the USA and Japan now that we had taken the Philippines, which they coveted. He even illustrated it with maps showing the ideal places for Japanese troops to land for invasion in California, Hawaii, and the Philippines. The Japanese taught his book at their military academies and followed his suggested route when they invaded the Philippines in 1941.
December 8, 2011 at 10:17 pm #26234scout1067
ParticipantI have heard of The Valor of Ignorance and that their invasion route came from the book but was not aware that it was taught in the Japanese Military Academy. I guess I should not be surprised, they read Sun-Tzu and Clausewitz in the American academies.
December 14, 2011 at 6:44 pm #26235donroc
ParticipantLea's books were required reading also for the British and German general staffs — but not in the USA. He also consulted on German and British maneuvers in 1910. Forgot to mention he kicked out of Stanford for agitiating on behalf of Chinese who wanted to end the Manchu Dynasty and have a republic. He was the only Caucasian present at the inauguration of Sun Yat Sen and earlier led a contingent of Chinese republicans with the international army that lifted the siege of Peking vs. the Boxers.
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