- This topic has 6 voices and 27 replies.
-
Posts
-
When you compare with the Canada-USA border, members of NAFTA just like Mexico, don't you wonder why it's so different? ::)
The connection to another anglo nation surely does enter into it but there are some issues between the US and Canada as well... beef and lumber to name a couple. But I agree with a Canadian friend that we in the west should push for a 90o rotation of the border. ;D
BTW Nafta was signed in 1994, while the mexico-US wall was upgrated after the 9/11 attacks...
There have been anti-immigration issue throughout California history... not the Californios that are seen as the problem or the folks that come in legally; what part if illegal immigrant is hard for folks to understand?.
I have a doubt !! California, Texas: where do these states initially come from ?
Indeed both were part of Mexico and I won't debate the Texas question because the Texicans were really in the wrong. California on the other hand was ripe for the picking. Sonoma (of Bear Flag Revolt fame) is father from Mexico City than it is from Chicago (roughly speaking) and Gen. Vallejo knew Mexico couldn't possibly hold it. Among the choices: England, Russia, and the US, he felt the Californios had their best shot with the US. This is why there was little resistance from him.
We might have a chance to meet while harvesting in California during our summer job? 😀 (talking about incentive from the US to "wetbacks")
Not likely, old retired folks like me will likely be getting pre-death planning.
The Mexico-US border problems stem from the Mexican Government and its inability to provide for the Mexican population. If there were jobs and a secure environment in Mexico they wouldn't be coming North would they? It is significant that illegals send $25 billion home to Mexico every year. Nobody says Mexicans are bad people, we just want them to have to go the same paperwork my wife had to to get a visa. After going through that I understand their frustrations, but they are still illegal. One of the things that gets me is when politicians talk about law-abiding illegal aliens. They were criminals as soon as they crossed the border without a visa regardless of what their later behavior is. As Wally said, what part of ILLEGAL don't people understand?
The Mexico-US border problems stem from the Mexican Government and its inability....
In the issue of Texas; Mexico couldn't get citizens to move into that area and secure it from the Indian population so they gave away land to Americans that would move there and become Mexican citizens (thus providing the seeds of the rebellion, but that's another story). Didn't work because the gov't in Mexico city was too far removed and considered Texas out in left field anyway. They had lost control by the time the so-called Texicans pulled away and appealed to the US.California really had the same kind of left field status but like CA today was more-or-less doing its own thing, the life of the Californios was pretty nice. As stated in my previous post Vallejo (under rated in history) saw the writing on the wall and was more than willing to see the US get CA. Better in his estimation than Russia or England, the other countries that coveted CA. In reality he wasn't captured as much as he went willingly, with the Bear Flaggers, to Sutter's Fort.
I am from Oklahoma and lived in Texas for ten years. Your account is basically correct and it is also one of the reasons Texans tend to be insufferable IMO.PS Bavarians are the same way in Germany. Everything from Bavaria is better. It really irritates them when I compare them to Texans, so I do it quite often. ;D :D.
As I said : Walls trigger reactions and make a situation worse without resolving the cause. It's a non-sense.
Israel to build security barrier on border with EgyptIt seems that the concept had to be copied worldwide ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/6966502/Israel-to-build-security-barrier-on-border-with-Egypt.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11751713
1) in April 20062) Belfast3) since late September 2000None of them agreed : 1) 11 Israelis were killed (2006)2) during the bloody 2000-2006 years more than 1,100 Israelis were killed and more than 7,000 injured3) More than 900 people were murdered in attacks carried out by Palestinian terrorists since late September 2000???
Did they differentiate between attacks inside Israel prober behind the wall and missile attacks from Gaza and Hezbollah controlled Lebanon?
The point is that since the West Bank wall went up attacks into Israel from the West Bank have dropped exponentially. Some walls do indeed work. They may be ugly and upset modern sensibilities but they do work. They keep people in too, the Berlin wall is a good example of that. The Berlin Wall didnt stop everybody but it turned a flood into a trickle.
I don't contest your information about the Gaza strip and other occupied territories but this fence project is about the Israeli-Egyptian border. The official reasons for this fence are more about migrants, smugglers and drug traffickers than terrorism.Hence my surprise.
Walls and fences don't stop all traffic but they do reduce it to largely manageable levels. Arent the Egyptians doing something like driving steel plates into the ground to cut off the tunnels used to smuggle stuff into the Gaza strip? Here it is Gazans cut through Egypt's border barrier, Apparently that isnt working too well for the Egyptians, I would flood the space between the steel plates personally. It might drown some smugglers but there deaths would probably deter even more from even trying it.
Walls and fences don't stop all traffic but they do reduce it to largely manageable levels. Arent the Egyptians doing something like driving steel plates into the ground to cut off the tunnels used to smuggle stuff into the Gaza strip? Here it is Gazans cut through Egypt's border barrier, Apparently that isnt working too well for the Egyptians, I would flood the space between the steel plates personally. It might drown some smugglers but there deaths would probably deter even more from even trying it.
... At least 17 people have been killed trying to cross the porous 150-mile border into Israel since May, most of them Africans shot by Egyptian police ... (sic)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/6966502/Israel-to-build-security-barrier-on-border-with-Egypt.html
