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  • April 11, 2010 at 3:34 pm #2087 Reply
    Wally
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    Stay tuned for a detailed exposition of our various roles as a member of American society. The material to be included is from The American Journey (an 8th grade history textbook) from Glencoe, McGraw-Hill, and associated with the National Geographic Society. I used this for several years and found it one of the better books available. This will be the first of several installments; some will be regular posts (the shorter ones I'm less likely to loose) and other more lengthy episodes will be attached pdf. files… you may comment as you see fit, however, this is not a debate as much as a lesson. I actually used most of this in my classes.Prologue “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”If the truths were so self-evident why did they write such a detailed laundry list of grievances?If all men are created equal why did they have slaves?What, besides life, liberty, and the pursuit of (my italics) happiness, are our unalienable rights?To the first question the answer is pretty simple… they had to explain why a fairly successful and free group of colonies would split from England. This was written less for themselves and England as an rational to the rest of the civilized world. The document is a perfect example of the Enlightment Era mindst. It was the sum total of logical thought to that point in time.To the second question: this question has lots of people in a stew. The basic point is that all souls were equal according to the Church; all Englishmen had certain rights (via the Magna Carta and English Bill of Rights); that all His creations being equal to God should be equal to their gov't.The third is a bit more difficult and continues to be a sticky item today. Life and liberty aren't to difficult to figure. People have the right not to be killed… they have the right to go about their business without interference… as long as they don't break with the norms established by their society. While one may counter that the colonists were breaking the societal norms of England, that argument only proves that one has not recognized that the colonies had become (already) a different sort of society than the mother counrty.As for the pursuit of happiness: we are allowed to pursue of but not assured happiness; this point is something that has vexed us from the very beginning of our country. The basic plan is and always has been that the individual controls his fate in this area. Over the years we have sought to level the playing field a bit and in many cases there hasa been a positive gain. Often however these efforts have resulted in the gaming of the system… folks come along that aren't satisfied to have a level pitch but will work to tilt it in there favor. Many of the government efforts to level the field have become entitlement programs that suffer this gaming. Generally though, most folks stay inside the lines and pursue their dreams.Preview of Coming Attractions: Types of rights we have; what they give us and limits on them.Post Script:I am taking this lesson out of order, normally I cover the basics of the Constitution and the organization of the government first. I cover the Bill of Rights along with the Citizenship Handbook because the BofR is our warranty so-to-speak. Then if time permits I cover, in greater detail, the Constitution (Article by Article) and the 3 branches of the government (each, individually, and their conjuctions).

    April 11, 2010 at 6:16 pm #20194 Reply
    Wally
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    Re: #29 in Federalism abrogated:Types of Rights and Limits thereon. CHB.pdf (attached).  8)Voting rights are addressed in the attached pdf. I have bolded the key point (re: voting).PS: for those that don't have Adobe Reader (c); get it here.

    April 12, 2010 at 12:52 am #20195 Reply
    Wally
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    Next installment….

    April 12, 2010 at 3:09 pm #20196 Reply
    Wally
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    Coming soon to a thread near you!The Bill of Rights: Our Warranty Card?.

    April 12, 2010 at 4:48 pm #20197 Reply
    willyD
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    I'm trying to figure out how this supports any such hypothesis..In the HBO movie it is clearly evident that the Jew-free Germany/Europe was always evolving.  TheFinal Solution was the last of a long line of options designed to accomplish the racial goals of the Nazi regime.  As I recall the film closely follows the notes in the sole copy of the meeting that survived the collapse  of the regime. 

    April 12, 2010 at 6:44 pm #20198 Reply
    Wally
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    I'm trying to figure out how this supports any such hypothesis..In the HBO movie it is clearly evident that the Jew-free Germany/Europe was always evolving.  TheFinal Solution was the last of a long line of options designed to accomplish the racial goals of the Nazi regime.  As I recall the film closely follows the notes in the sole copy of the meeting that survived the collapse  of the regime. 

    And what, if anything, has this to do with the price of nails in Denmark?

    April 12, 2010 at 7:17 pm #20199 Reply
    willyD
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    Quote from: willyD on Today at 11:48:21 AMI'm trying to figure out how this supports any such hypothesis..In the HBO movie it is clearly evident that the Jew-free Germany/Europe was always evolving.  TheFinal Solution was the last of a long line of options designed to accomplish the racial goals of the Nazi regime.  As I recall the film closely follows the notes in the sole copy of the meeting that survived the collapse  of the regime.  And what, if anything, has this to do with the price of nails in Denmark?Actually just a bit.  Denmark was occupied in April of 1940 after the German government convincedthe Danes that war would not be in their best interest.  The Danes, for the most part, adopted a policy of non-cooperation with the Germans who were careful not to push too hard as Denmark was even then a source of copious quantities of excellent food.  The Danish resistance was fractured with the Communists being the most aggressive.  There is a good Danish movie making the rounds of the art circuit called–The flame and the Lemon–about the anti-German activities.  Nails were not specifically mentioned, but I am sure that there is a peripheral connection.  (Actually I made an error thinking you were posting to me).  Sorry.

    April 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm #20200 Reply
    Wally
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    Well played!  :DThough, far less a question about what was in the post and more about what the post was in.Been there done that, too.  😉

    April 12, 2010 at 9:11 pm #20201 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    Wally I've downloaded and saved your .pdf's for future reference.  Thanks.  Thanks Phid for fixing my account so I could see Wally's attachments.

    April 12, 2010 at 9:42 pm #20202 Reply
    Wally
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    Wally I've downloaded and saved your .pdf's for future reference.

    Then they are good for something other than quelling my withdrawls for teaching? Worth my finishing the whole thing (BofR and Const.) then?

    Thanks.

    Don't forget to copy the body of the first post as it is part of it too… Collect the whole set!  

    Thanks Phid for fixing my account so I could see Wally's attachments.

    Was there a problem on my end with the 'pdf's? If so what do I need to do on my end to fix it?

    April 12, 2010 at 9:55 pm #20203 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    No I haven't been able to see attachments for years, I just got around to letting Phid know so I could see your stuff.

    April 12, 2010 at 9:59 pm #20204 Reply
    Wally
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    Thank you, I take that as a high compliment.  🙂

    April 13, 2010 at 12:38 am #20205 Reply
    Wally
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    Please find attached Bill of Rights (part 1) consisting of Amendments 1 thru 4.I shall continue as soon as I can but other commitments call tomorrow.

    April 13, 2010 at 3:36 pm #20206 Reply
    Wally
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    Please find attached Bill of Rights (part 2) consisting of Amendments 5 and 6.Commitments: rained out.

    April 14, 2010 at 12:28 am #20207 Reply
    Wally
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    Please find attached Bill of Rights (part 3) consisting of Amendments 7 thru 10 and Extras.

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