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I think it has outlived its usefulness and a new Constitutional Convention could come up with something better. The founding fathers were not guided by the hand of a deity and there are major flaws inthe document that have to be constantly worked around in order to get things done. It is like an oldFord--it was great in its day, but it is time to turn it in for a new model. That is my opinion.
What could we come up with that is better? Our Constitution is the oldest in the world and is still functioning (or trying to despite the best efforts of the Republicrat two party dictatorship to subvert it).Here is a list of things our government ignores:Congressional supremacy in the three branches of government. How? The President can now declare war (with executive orders), declare martial law (executive order again), suspend habeas corpus (see martial law), and virtually sign treaties via the State Dept. The Supreme Court overturns and nullifies laws based on political ideology (handpicked by the President see FDR's Court Packing attempts etc...).Posse Comitatus is now dead. The President can federalize national guard troops, and has established the Northcom division that deploys domestically. The Constitution says states may have militias (and were never to be federalized hence defeating the purpose of having militias). The 2nd Amendment is being nullified in places like Washington D.C. and New York City even when the Supreme Court has ruled they couldn't outlaw handguns...yet they still do.I could go on and on, but it's obvious that the Constitution is not broke; it's the government that has defecated on the Constitution over and over again that is the real culprit. We have careerist politicians and bureaucrats who have become distant mini tyrants who have pillaged the people and stuffed their coffers with our blood, sweat, and tears. Thomas Jefferson said that the liberty tree must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots. It doesn't have to be actual blood necessarily, but liberty will fade if we the people allow the government, our partner, to renege on its obligations as explained in the contract we signed in actual blood over two hundred years ago.
? Reply #15 on: Today at 08:25:03 PM ?QuoteQuoteI think it has outlived its usefulness and a new Constitutional Convention could come up with something better. The founding fathers were not guided by the hand of a deity and there are major flaws inthe document that have to be constantly worked around in order to get things done. It is like an oldFord--it was great in its day, but it is time to turn it in for a new model. That is my opinion.What could we come up with that is better? Our Constitution is the oldest in the world and is still functioning (or trying to despite the best efforts of the Republicrat two party dictatorship to subvert it).Here is a list of things our government ignores:Congressional supremacy in the three branches of government. How? The President can now declare war (with executive orders), declare martial law (executive order again), suspend habeas corpus (see martial law), and virtually sign treaties via the State Dept. The Supreme Court overturns and nullifies laws based on political ideology (handpicked by the President see FDR's Court Packing attempts etc...).Posse Comitatus is now dead. The President can federalize national guard troops, and has established the Northcom division that deploys domestically. The Constitution says states may have militias (and were never to be federalized hence defeating the purpose of having militias). The 2nd Amendment is being nullified in places like Washington D.C. and New York City even when the Supreme Court has ruled they couldn't outlaw handguns...yet they still do.I could go on and on, but it's obvious that the Constitution is not broke; it's the government that has defecated on the Constitution over and over again that is the real culprit. We have careerist politicians and bureaucrats who have become distant mini tyrants who have pillaged the people and stuffed their coffers with our blood, sweat, and tears. Thomas Jefferson said that the liberty tree must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots. It doesn't have to be actual blood necessarily, but liberty will fade if we the people allow the government, our partner, to renege on its obligations as explained in the contract we signed in actual blood over two hundred years ago.
At one point all ships were driven by sails. Who could imagine anything better? Under the original Constitution Senators were elected by the State legislators--what could be better than that? The IBM selectric was the best--who could imagine anything better? The 1955 Chevrolet was mechanical perfection. NOTSomething can always be improved either by adding or removing features--think of a race car--less weight plus more power=greater speed.I am fully aware of the excellence of our hoary Constitution, but I believe we could make it better.Use your own examples. I can think of 10 things that spring to mind that would improve the responseof the government to the people and 10 more that would permit the people to immediately sanction government officials. We have bettered it many times--the amendments! (exclude 18th)My modest suggestion is that we might well be able to improve upon the document. To say that we are unable to do so is to denigrate our abilities and lead one to conclude that you desire to preserve the document in amber.To be honest, Moses' document was sufficient. No actually God's one law in Eden was sufficient. But stupid man couldn't even follow one lousy rule. So then ten rules had to be made, and again man blundered. So now we have lawyers that must spend years of their lives learning all the rules we have now, and guess what? Crime is at an all time high, and lawyers are never lacking work. So what will we do? Add more rules–take some away? It wouldn't matter, man won't follow them, he never has, and most likely he never will.
To be honest, Moses' document was sufficient. No actually God's one law in Eden was sufficient. But stupid man couldn't even follow one lousy rule. So then ten rules had to be made, and again man blundered. So now we have lawyers that must spend years of their lives learning all the rules we have now, and guess what? Crime is at an all time high, and lawyers are never lacking work. So what will we do? Add more rules–take some away? It wouldn't matter, man won't follow them, he never has, and most likely he never will.Moses supposedly revealed God's laws for the chosen people--I am not of them.Most people in the world consider Moses and his laws to be inapplicable to them. It is but one story among many and the Old Testament is hardly a source to quote except for fundamentalists.It is true that we have to have so many rules and a cadre of secular priests (lawyers) to explain therules to us. Men follow the rules either out of fear or out of a sense of obligation. If there were no police I would drive 100 miles an hour any chance I had. Apparently we must be forced into being goodas self interest leads us astray--I cannot afford the speeding tickets.
No because the first thing to go would be the right to bear arms. The only thing that keeps the government in check now is the thought that millions of Americans own firearms and in the last resort will use them rather than be reduced to government peonage. The libs would love to take our guns away as it is. If there is one issue that is critical to America it is the second Amendment, it is the only guarantee of freedom a man has.
Scout-welcome back:No because the first thing to go would be the right to bear arms. The only thing that keeps the government in check now is the thought that millions of Americans own firearms and in the last resort will use them rather than be reduced to government peonage. The libs would love to take our guns away as it is. If there is one issue that is critical to America it is the second Amendment, it is the only guarantee of freedom a man has.I can see that you feel strongly about this subject. I for one have no idea what a Constitutional Convention would do. The subject of the Second Amendment always comes up as something that amust be defended against a government hostile to the very idea of an armed populace. I think you are wrong. Consider this--the government has forces equipped with very sophisticated weaponry while the populace, for the most part, lacks machine guns, artillery, tanks, aircraft and helicopters with gatlingtype weapons. If they want to take our weapons they will do so provided that the 82nd Airborne Division and others still follow the orders of their superiors. Further, I think that your assertion that our only guarantee of freedom rests upon the sturdy plinth of the Second Amendment is a flawed argumentbased more on passion than fact.
That's not emotional or based on passion, it's what our founding fathers intended the 2nd amendment to be…protection from oppression by the government.
.... I for one have no idea what a Constitutional Convention would do. ....
I do; witness the health care debate onr the California budget process. This is what it would be like.Sorry guys... Garand, 12 gauge, and a good .22; lots of fodder for each.
Totally insufficient Wally–you are outgunned and if you try to achieve parity ATF will lock you up!It is the law!Making an SKS full auto is a piece of cake! (or so I have heard)
You are correct. Now where can I buy a SAW or a RPG?
Plenty of places in the States and legally too. And yes it is easy to make an SKS full auto but what is the point when an AR-15 or M-4 clone is just as easy to convert and more effective?You want to see what a bunch of meagerly trained dedicated individuals can do? Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. I am here to tell you that there are not many American servicemen that will fire on our fellow citizens and those that do will only get off a few shots to begin with.
Totally insufficient Wally--you are outgunned and if you try to achieve parity ATF will lock you up!....
Not my intent...
....You want to see what a bunch of meagerly trained dedicated individuals can do? Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. I am here to tell you that there are not many American servicemen that will fire on our fellow citizens and those that do will only get off a few shots to begin with.
Society is saver when the criminals (and the government officials) don't know who is armed.
sks conversion–cheap and rustic–like the dirty little weapon it is–I bought six of them in 1998 at 100 bucks a pop–all gone now.
I can make any semi-auto loading rifle fully automatic without modifying it one bit. All I have to have is a belt loop and a steady hand/hip. It's called bump firing.
Interesting that we have such different spins on the methodology… I follow the line of one of my mentors (a former Ranger in the Pacific); he was never afraid of sustanined fire as the shooter likely was in the spray and pray mode, the shot, pause, shot mode was what scared him. According to him, “That SOB was looking right at what he was shooting at!”One shot; one kill.
