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I figured I would start a separate thread just for ongoing discussion of the current presidential election instead of having several distracting from the original topic of the thread. Part of my goal for this thread is to make it longer than the one started by Ivkhan about how great Bulgarians are.I will start off by pointing out that the Perry Campaign is probably over after his retard answer about which Cabinet departments he would get rid of last night. I love the guy as governor but he has had a pretty much horrible presidential campaign from the start. I think he should withdraw from the campaign and endorse Cain.Speaking of Cain, he is a great guy but his, and his teams, unreadiness and lack of experience in dealing with the piranhas in the press is killing him right now. I also find it curious that no one on the conservative is really saying much about how little there actually I to the claims. Some of the accusers have questionable credibility and the nature of the accusations themselves are so vague that I don’t know what to make of them. For the moment I am still sticking with Cain. I don’t believe the hype, and I think his roughness is a sign that he is not part of the beltway gangs and I like that. I hope he gets elected and shows up in DC like a bull in a China shop. It is what the country needs.
lack of experience in dealing with the piranhas in the press is killing him right now.
How can you say it's lack of experience? Cain's only problem is he's an outsider. Just like with Palin, the media is TOTALLY biased against him. Not an easy thing to overcome IF someone can even overcome it. And it's not easy when you have Rove and other big government, elitist RINOs joining the attack (just like they did with Palin).As for candidates, never did I imagine I'd say I'd be liking Newt. But he would totally anhilate Obama in a debate, and that would be fun to watch! I still wish Palin was in the race. She could take care of the media, the RINOs, and most importantly Obama.
Other than his failed bid for Senate in 2004 he has never run for office and from what I am reading, he did not recruit a bunch of talent from other previous big campaigns. I am saying lack of experience in dealing with the press. His response so far have been strong and I believe him but if you are not a supporter it kind of looks like he is flailing and does not know how to respond. I think a simple denial and then focusing on the issues would be more productive. He is letting the press shape the discussion and make a mountain out of a molehill. If he did not respond as much the press would ignore it and the issue would go away, he is only encouraging them right now because the press smells blood and he is contributing to that perception.On the issues, he can;t be beat except for possibly his 9-9-9 plan, which I am not sure I like. I just instinctively dislike the idea of anything that sounds or looks like a national sales tax. I think the constitutional grounds for imposing one are not there. I don't even think the commerce clause would let them impose a sales tax without amending the constitution and the wording on any amendment would have to be both simple and NOT open to interpretation. A national sales tax opens a can of worms I don't think the American people really want.We pay a 19% VAT in Germany, do you want something like that in the US? That s what 9-9-9 wll eventually turn into. The government never gets smaller, only more intrusive and more confiscatory.
1) I watched that Perry gaffe and didn't think it was a big deal. Everyone has moments where facts are forgotten – sometimes at the worst of times – and so I didn't think much of it. However, he might just have been better saying that there were “several” departments he wanted to get rid of, “such as…” rather than giving a specific number. 2) I am not a huge supporter of Herman Cain but do not dislike him. I have a theory that after Clarence Thomas, conservatives in America are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to black conservatives when they are faced with questionable claims of sexual harassment. This would be why Cain is not seeing a drastic drop-off of his poll numbers even after five(!) accusers have not made their allegations. 3) From the beginning I have liked Newt Gingrich the most, and I might even be able to show proof of that if I sifted through my posts around here. 🙂 But really, he has the most articulate policy answers of any of the candidates, IMO. He does have some baggage in his closet, but then again, everyone does.
The 9-9-9 plan is questionable, but it does seem Cain is willing to adjust it if necessary.I feel the opposite about Perry's gaffe. He is horrible in debates and I think a President needs to be able to hold their own. His excuse of saying he's not a good debater is dumb. I'm not thrilled with Newt's hypocrisy (he was cheating on his wife while convicting Clinton of doing the same) but that was a long time ago. And I very much like that he apologized and admitted he was wrong with his Pelosi global warming couch thing.I just think all the GOP candidates should stay away from moral issues, at least for now, and stay focused on economic and foreign policy. I would love to see them just get out there and hammer away at the unions, OWS fools, and the damage caused by all things Progressive.
The 9-9-9 plan is questionable, but it does seem Cain is willing to adjust it if necessary.I feel the opposite about Perry's gaffe. He is horrible in debates and I think a President needs to be able to hold their own. His excuse of saying he's not a good debater is dumb. I'm not thrilled with Newt's hypocrisy (he was cheating on his wife while convicting Clinton of doing the same) but that was a long time ago. And I very much like that he apologized and admitted he was wrong with his Pelosi global warming couch thing.I just think all the GOP candidates should stay away from moral issues, at least for now, and stay focused on economic and foreign policy. I would love to see them just get out there and hammer away at the unions, OWS fools, and the damage caused by all things Progressive.
I heard one commentator say that the fact Cain modified his 999 plan took away one of the main things going in its favor - the simplicity of it all. I personally feel like the fact he modified it means that it wasn't well-thought out to begin with, and was more "gimmicky" in that its name has a nice sound to it. I would hate to have the country be stuck with a plan because it had a gimmicky name.I do not know about Newt's "cheating" but I did hear him talk briefly about it a few days ago and it sounded like that particular account of him giving divorce papers to his wife in the hospital was made up by his daughter and not reflective of the truth. Still probably not something good in his corner, but I don't think it's a deal-breaker.
Newt's personal life can well stand up against Obama's questionable and far more significant past political life (Ayres and Wright and Rezco) and Chicago style presidency. Now it is time to flush out his real history that has been obscured by the birther controversy namely his grades and who financed his college career and why he has no friends from school days — essentailly no history. Regarding Cain, let him run the gauntlet and see how he comes out, but I say nein, nein, nein to 9-9-9 and any national sales (VAT) tax. And any flat tax proposal needs iron clad guarantees against Congression greed.
Newt's personal life can well stand up against Obama's questionable and far more significant past political life (Ayres and Wright and Rezco) and Chicago style presidency. Now it is time to flush out his real history that has been obscured by the birther controversy namely his grades and who financed his college career and why he has no friends from school days -- essentailly no history.
Now that you say it, I don't think I have ever heard any interview with anyone who knew Obama during his college years.
Now that you say it, I don't think I have ever heard any interview with anyone who knew Obama during his college years.
A new conspiracy ?
Newt's personal life can well stand up against Obama's questionable and far more significant past political life (Ayres and Wright and Rezco)
It won't though because that will be ignored like last time. Palin was the ONLY one with guts enough to bring up Obama's past with Ayers and look what happened. And this is another thing the Republicans need to hammer away at...his close ties with a person who tried to blow up the Pentagon.
A new conspiracy ?
Not really. That's been floating around for a while. Where's his transcript's? Friends from college? Papers he wrote? There's none of that.
I like Perry, but the man is a horrible debater. However, if you look at his record as governor of Texas you don't see someone who is incompetent, you see the opposite in fact. I would actually kind of like to see a Perry-Cain ticket, I think it would be good. Perry needs to focus on his accomplishments as governor and brush off his poort debating.I saw an interesting piece whee Cain has retained a lawyer about the harassment charges and possible defamation. I like the way the lawyer is quoted at the end of the article- "Wood said he was retained by Cain and not by his campaign. He said he feels strongly about "guilt by accusation" cases. "I have seen how it has devastated the lives of other clients of mine and I would hate to see it happen to Mr. Cain." I still don't buy the accusations, the timing of their revelation is too pat for me to put much faith in them. If they were so serious, why haven;t they come out earlier. As I have said before, there is the slight smell of an outhouse around the accusations.I am still a member of the Anyone-but-Romney Club. I don't see how Romney is any different than Obama other than his party affiliation based on his record. He look s like just as much an ideological empty suit as Obama. I don't care how god he looks on camera and what his supposed electability is, I don't like him and I can't see myself voting for him. I might even vote for Ron Paul before Romney and I think Paul needs some really good meds, perhaps Thorazine.
Excellent quote from my favorite political commentator Frank J. on the Republican primary process.
Right now the country is a car speeding towards a cliff due to out-of- control spending, and conservatives want a president who will seize the wheel of that car and turn it around. But the Republican we nominate is always someone who only promises to ease up on the gas a little. … The last thing we want to do is fall in love with a politician. Because what type of people become skilled politicians? People who hate government? No, those people never learn to work in the system. The people who succeed in politics are those who kinda like government and see it as a great tool for change — i.e., they’re the enemy. No one gets to the level of being able to run a skilled campaign for president and remains a true conservative. So that’s why conservatives holding onto Reagan as the ideal politician hurts us in the end. We have this fantasy that the move to reduce government will one day be led from the top, but it’s just not going to happen. Anyone who makes it to that level is no longer one of us. Conservatives just need to come to grips with the fact that it’s always going to be a Mitt Romney-type who leads the ticket, which is why we can’t make the president the standard bearer for conservatism. The true conservatives are always going to be those of us who never have the taint of politics on us, and if we want real change that reduces the size of government in this country, that means we’ll have to put even more pressure on a Republican president than we do on a Democrat. When the car is speeding towards the cliff, we have to be on the hood of that car, screaming at the driver, “TURN THIS THING AROUND!” So the ideal candidate for conservatives isn’t some extreme right-winger. It’s a skilled politician we know we can bully.
I hope that he does not turn out to be prophetic, if he is then expect Romney to get the nomination. What a disaster that would be for both the Party and the country.
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