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September 30, 2011 at 3:02 am #2946
Phidippides
KeymasterI spend much time over the past few days researching this man's portrait for a presentation I had to give today. Anyone recognize him?
September 30, 2011 at 8:07 am #25498scout1067
ParticipantShot in the Dark – Plato?
September 30, 2011 at 12:15 pm #25499donroc
ParticipantPoor rhinoplasty. 😀 — but I'd guess Pericles.
September 30, 2011 at 1:14 pm #25500Phidippides
KeymasterSorry, but both are incorrect. Perhaps this is one is too hard. I'll give some hints: he lived during the late 4th/early 3rd centuries B.C. and was a writer of comedy. His portrait was among the most, if not the most, copied works of portrait sculpture in the classical world.
September 30, 2011 at 1:28 pm #25501skiguy
Moderatoroo oo, I know. Menandros
September 30, 2011 at 6:40 pm #25502Phidippides
Keymasteroo oo, I know. Menandros
Ok, that's right, but how did you know? It is Menander.
Poor rhinoplasty. 😀 -- but I'd guess Pericles.
I know that when museums (even into the 20th century) would restore ancient sculpture, they would sometimes saw or chisel down already broken-off pieces (such as on noses) in order to get a flat surface upon which the prosthetic (plaster?) nose could be placed. The break on this Menander nose looks quite smooth, so it may have been caused by modern hands.
September 30, 2011 at 6:52 pm #25503skiguy
ModeratorI was close. I knew that because that same portrait is in one of my books. Once you said comedy I knew where to look.
September 30, 2011 at 10:08 pm #25504Phidippides
KeymasterWell then you did a good job. Here are some other ancient Menander portraits. He is recognizable by the high cheekbone, beady eyes that look off, slight turn of the head right, and the trademark tousled hair, which is combed forward over the forehead and usually forms four or five groupings that form a “wave” that curls down and sometimes to the right.[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Portrait_head_of_the_poet_Menander_NAMA_3292_%28DerHexer%29.JPG/240px-Portrait_head_of_the_poet_Menander_NAMA_3292_%28DerHexer%29.JPG[/img]Portrait head of the poet Menander NAMA 3292 (DerHexer) [GFDL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html) or CC-BY-SA-3.0-2.5-2.0-1.0 (http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)], by —DerHexer (own source), from Wikimedia Commons[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Ritratto_di_menandro%2C_inizio_del_II_secolo_dc._da_originale_del_300_ac..JPG/240px-Ritratto_di_menandro%2C_inizio_del_II_secolo_dc._da_originale_del_300_ac..JPG[/img]Ritratto di menandro, inizio del II secolo dc. da originale del 300 ac. [GFDL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html) or CC-BY-SA-3.0 (http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)], by sailko, from Wikimedia Commons
MenanderPortrait [CC-BY-SA-3.0 (http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)], by Jon Corelis (Own work), from Wikimedia Commons
September 30, 2011 at 10:57 pm #25505skiguy
ModeratorHe looks like somebady else too, I just can't think of whom.
October 1, 2011 at 7:32 pm #25506Phidippides
KeymasterDonnie Baker? 😀 Let me add an extra quiz question on here since I think you all will like it. The portrait of Menander was unusual because it depicted him as clean-shaven. Most of the other writers/philosophers of the time were depicted with beards. There has been some theorizing that he was depicted beardless because of his effeminate nature, or because of his following of another famous person who had his own portrait. Can anyone guess who this other beardless portrait depicted?
October 1, 2011 at 8:02 pm #25507skiguy
ModeratorAlexander the Great?I didn't know the Greeks thought lack of facial hair was considered feminine. I would think that, since they glorified youth, that a lack of a beard would have something to do with that instead. I believe the Romans' view of facial hair was different. Emperors grew them because of their admiration for the Greeks, but I believe they first thought a beard was a sign of a barbarian.
December 10, 2011 at 4:15 pm #25508Phidippides
KeymasterHe looks like somebady else too, I just can't think of whom.
You might be thinking of Virgil. There has been talk on their similarities of appearance.
Alexander the Great?I didn't know the Greeks thought lack of facial hair was considered feminine. I would think that, since they glorified youth, that a lack of a beard would have something to do with that instead. I believe the Romans' view of facial hair was different. Emperors grew them because of their admiration for the Greeks, but I believe they first thought a beard was a sign of a barbarian.
Yes, you are right - Alexander the Great. By the time the Romans came along, the perception of effeminacy and clean-shaven skin had passed, probably because of the Alexandrian link. By the time of the middle imperial years, beards on Roman emperors took on new significance.
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