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  • June 29, 2008 at 5:45 pm #1163 Reply
    skiguy
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    Where most wars guerilla type insurgencies or where they huge campaigns?  I can't think of too many, outside of the two World Wars, that were not mainly guerilla warfare. (and in most cases, those were the bloodiest and most brutal)

    June 30, 2008 at 2:00 pm #12263 Reply
    Beaumaris
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    I think your classic wars, Alexander, Rome, Napoleon, Hundred Years War, American Civil War, etc were standard warfare.  Though I'm sure some form of guerilla tactics did occur.  Now the Welsh against Edward I used guerilla warfare and prevented the English from moving into the interior of Wales for some time.  My question would be who has used guerilla warfare most successfully and when was the earliest use of it?

    June 30, 2008 at 8:15 pm #12264 Reply
    Phidippides
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    That's just what I was thinking – when did guerilla warfare first come into use?  I suppose one would have to define the terms here.  Surely there have been guerilla tactics for much of history but these would have been outside large-scale wars and may have been incidental to normal combat.  Does “guerilla warfare” mean a war that is solely/primarily waged via guerilla means?

    June 30, 2008 at 9:25 pm #12265 Reply
    Beaumaris
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    Or is guerilla warfare other than the prescribed style of warfare of the time?

    June 30, 2008 at 9:48 pm #12266 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Or can guerilla warfare be a part of any large war? Was the American Revolution a whole bunch of small, guerilla wars (along with the major naval and ground  battles)?It seems that many wars of national independence and civil wars were guerilla oriented? (America, Ireland, Italy for example)  Do you agree?

    July 1, 2008 at 3:57 am #12267 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I do think that the American Colonists employed conventional warfare methods in addition to guerilla tactics.  I'm thinking something like Vietnam as being a war fought perhaps exclusively as a guerilla type of operation by the North Vietnamese.  I don't know of any other war offhand that was fought this way by one side, though I admit my knowledge is weak in this area.

    July 1, 2008 at 2:26 pm #12268 Reply
    Beaumaris
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    It is difficult to determine if whole conflicts were fought that way.  While there were may battles where guerilla tactics were used, the Battle of Teutoburg forest was more of an ambush than guerilla tactics.

    July 1, 2008 at 4:36 pm #12269 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Perhaps we should define guerilla?

    July 1, 2008 at 4:45 pm #12270 Reply
    Beaumaris
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    American Heritage Dictionary: guer?ril?la or gue?ril?la  Audio Help  (gə-rĭl'ə)  Pronunciation Key  n.  A member of an irregular, usually indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass and undermine the enemy, as by surprise raids.World Net:  guerilla noun a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger force by sabotage and harassment  The term irregular comes up.  There have always been irregulars all the way back to the greeks (Peltasts)  to harass the enemy and attempt to loosen tight formations.So are we talking irregular troops, working without a regular force, to sabatage and harass the enemy until defeat?

    July 1, 2008 at 7:42 pm #12271 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    I would think civilians are a major part of guerilla warfare too.

    July 1, 2008 at 9:35 pm #12272 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Here's a thread I started on another board awhile back. FM 3-24 is the COIN manual and FM 90-9 is the counterguerilla manual.These guys know what they're talking about too seeing that most of them are officers or civilians in high positions with advnaced degrees! (except BRUZ LEE..I think he was banned)Most of the topic is on page one, then it starts going off subject a bit.http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=3991

    July 10, 2008 at 7:06 pm #12273 Reply
    scout1067
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    There is a guerrilla component to most wars.  I think it constrains thinking to try to define warfare too narrowly.  The Napoleonic Wars were mostly fought conventionally but the Peninsular campaign was largely a guerrilla campaign punctuated by pithed battles.  There was also a large irregular component to the Russian campaign of 1812.Mao perhaps says it best when he claims that unconventional tactics are used as a prelude to open battles for dominance.  It is only when the opponents feel they can win a pitched battle that one is fought.  The 100 years war was mostly fought as a series of raids as well.

    July 14, 2008 at 10:09 am #12274 Reply
    History Farts
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    I think your classic wars, Alexander, Rome, Napoleon, Hundred Years War, American Civil War, etc were standard warfare.  Though I'm sure some form of guerilla tactics did occur.  Now the Welsh against Edward I used guerilla warfare and prevented the English from moving into the interior of Wales for some time.  My question would be who has used guerilla warfare most successfully and when was the earliest use of it?

      I'd have to say the Native North Amerian against European invaders.  Earlier examples might include Native Africans defending their families from slavers.  But I am certain history will demonstrate earlier examples of so called “guerrilla” tactics, which is the only tactically intelligent way to go against superior arms/numbers.Native Americans may have been outnumbered locally, but they certainly were not stupid.

    July 16, 2008 at 12:04 am #12275 Reply
    scout1067
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    If I remember right there were a lot of African tribes that sold their enemies to the slavers.  The Europeans didnt have to hunt slaves down, they were brought right to the coast for sale.  If you think about it, it is a great way to get rid of enemies and make a profit while doing so.Early examples of guerrilla warfare could be some of the Greek methods employed to fight the Persians.  I would call crop devastation a guerrilla tactic.

    August 7, 2008 at 5:26 am #12276 Reply
    History Farts
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    Any savy military leader will strike supply lines, create havoc, and preserve his strike force.  Why did we beat the Brittish? By following the strike and run tactic.  Don't commit suicide in red uniforms marching in formation …. I mean, this is a no brainer.

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