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August 26, 2011 at 1:21 pm #2919
Phidippides
KeymasterBoth the Egyptians and the Mesopotamians were influential in the history of Western Civ. My question: who had a bigger hand in the history of the West? I know this is kind of cheating because the Mesopotamians encompasses a series of different groups, compared to more or less just one in Egypt, but I think the comparison can still be made given their geography.
August 27, 2011 at 3:12 pm #25352DonaldBaker
ParticipantEgypt because they heavily influenced Greece who is the harbinger of Western Culture.
August 27, 2011 at 5:18 pm #25353Phidippides
KeymasterFunny. I would argue Mesopotamia, since they gave us things such as writing.
August 27, 2011 at 5:20 pm #25354Phidippides
KeymasterAlso, are you sure that historians think that Egypt was so influential on Greece? I know of at least one historian who says that Egypt did not leave Western Culture any significant foundations. I think that interest in Egypt really was a hermeneutic exercise, beginning with the Napoleonic expeditions and continuing through the 19th and early 20th centuries.
August 27, 2011 at 7:36 pm #25355DonaldBaker
ParticipantI forgot to mention the influence Egypt had on the Israelites. There's another connection to Western Culture.
August 27, 2011 at 8:13 pm #25356skiguy
ModeratorThey are both equal. How's that for a cop out? ;D
August 27, 2011 at 8:27 pm #25357Phidippides
KeymasterThey are both equal. How's that for a cop out? ;D
Very Obamaesque of you. 😀
August 31, 2011 at 4:42 am #25358scout1067
ParticipantThe Mesopotamians had more practical impact. The Egyptians were more insular inside the Nile valley and did not interact with other peoples as much as the Mesopotamians did.
August 31, 2011 at 6:05 am #25359Phidippides
KeymasterThe Mesopotamians had more practical impact. The Egyptians were more insular inside the Nile valley and did not interact with other peoples as much as the Mesopotamians did.
Yeah, that's a good point. Whether voluntarily or not, the Mesopotamian civilizations transferred their ideas to others while the Egyptians did not really do so until they had been established for quite some time. Yes, Egypt became the breadbasket of the Roman Empire, but that's more a discussion of Egypt as farmland rather than Egyptian civilization.
August 31, 2011 at 5:20 pm #25360scout1067
ParticipantEgypt was affected much more by outside influences than it ever affected others as a power projector.
August 31, 2011 at 10:51 pm #25361skiguy
ModeratorThe Mesopotamians colonized, I don't think the Egyptians did, therefore the Mesopotamians were more important. But I do think the Ancients “studied” Egypt a lot.
September 1, 2011 at 12:44 am #25362Phidippides
KeymasterThe Mesopotamians colonized, I don't think the Egyptians did, therefore the Mesopotamians were more important. But I do think the Ancients "studied" Egypt a lot.
I think they were definitely impressed by them. But did they study them in terms of their institutions or practices so that they could copy them? That is what I am not sure of.
September 20, 2011 at 1:25 am #25363DonaldBaker
ParticipantMoses was Egyptian (technically). Don't forget that. 🙂
September 20, 2011 at 2:31 am #25364Phidippides
KeymasterOuch. You got me there. ;D
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