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I'm sorry guys, but I remain unconvinced that Hitler didn't have Auschwitz in his head even as early as when he was writing Mein Kampf. I apparently can't prove it, and I know it's not scholarly, but my intuition tells me he fantasized about exterminating the Jews long before he even had the power and means to attempt it.
.. and the term will be misused and hang around as long as we allow it to be used without comment. I'm pretty sure I know what Granny said and that term (as abhorant as it may be) can be applied to an ethnic group; main point I've always tried to make to the kids (and others, for that matter)… is that hating someone is allowed (not prefered, but allowed) if you hate them for something that is within their control. Color of skin, type of hair, etc. aren't allowed… no one gets to file an app to be born into a certain ethnicity or nationality (or crosses thereof either). As I also told them I'd have asked to look like Tom Sellick rather than my avatar.In an ideal world hurtful racial or ethnic comments would serve only those who use them as a boor.Regretfully we are not there yet it may take awhile. When it comes to skin color, one of the obviouscommon uses, we may have a long range solution. As we marry outside our own group, we might look forward to a future where we are all a little browner and a lot more tolerant of one another.There is a problem however. We have no language police as do the French and we have a richtradition of using slang and bending words sometimes in an ironic way, but sometimes not. Thereis no list of banned words. George Carlin is dead and premium cable and R movies have made the unusual commonplace. As an example--some of you may be aware of the inside joke that someItalians used to use to describe black people. To those not in on the joke the term was incomprehensible. Check out the Dennis Hopper death scene in TRUE ROMANCE.
Okay I found something, but I don't know how credible it is:http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/annihilation.htmlI've seen this quote on other sites as well. It's anecdotal evidence, but it is a published statement by a so-called "expert" familiar with Hitler. Take it for what it's worth.Here is another link: http://www.holocaust-history.org/short-essays/final-solution.shtml
I'm sorry guys, but I remain unconvinced that Hitler didn't have Auschwitz in his head even as early as when he was writing Mein Kampf. I apparently can't prove it, and I know it's not scholarly, but my intuition tells me he fantasized about exterminating the Jews long before he even had the power and means to attemYour intuition tells you that the sun revolves around the earth.
I'm sorry guys, but I remain unconvinced that Hitler didn't have Auschwitz in his head even as early as when he was writing Mein Kampf. I apparently can't prove it, and I know it's not scholarly, but my intuition tells me he fantasized about exterminating the Jews long before he even had the power and means to attemYour intuition tells you that the sun revolves around the earth.
Perhaps it did on Joshua's long day.
In a world ruled by a God who can hold in abeyance the laws of physics–of course. In my dotage as in my childhood I believe anything is possible.If Joshua need time to win his victory--halt the sun!
In a world ruled by a God who can hold in abeyance the laws of physics--of course. In my dotage as in my childhood I believe anything is possible.
You're going to cause me to split this topic again LOL.
Split it again?Being in charge means you get to make decisions. It is not a democracy!WillyDThink of yourself as one of Plato's guardians--helping the hoi polloi to be virtuous.
Split it again?Being in charge means you get to make decisions. It is not a democracy!WillyDThink of yourself as one of Plato's guardians--helping the hoi polloi to be virtuous.
I'm not in charge, Phid is. He's the Emperor. I'm just his Right Hand. I'm just trying to keep things focused as he requested that's all.
“Die Endl?sung der Judenfrage”Even if Hitler did foretell the Holocaust of European Jewry since 1939, the main architects of the systematic deportation and extermination of all Jews in German-occupied territory are Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Himmler.Heydrich was the chairman of the Wannsee Conference in 1942 where he presented a plan for the deportation of the Jewish population and the use of the Jews fit for labour on road-building projects, in the course of which they would eventually die, the surviving remnant to be annihilated after completion of the projects.Regarding Auschwitz-Birkenau, it was designated by Heinrich Himmler as the locus of the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe. Himmler opened the first of these camps at Dachau on 22 March 1933. He was the main architect of the Holocaust.Heydrich, Himmler and several others were some kind of Nazi zealots. Hitler wasn't the sole guilty. These zealots are the most dangerous ones.(check the Milgram Experiment but this deserves another debate)
I'm not in charge, Phid is. He's the Emperor. I'm just his Right Hand. I'm just trying to keep things focused as he requested that's all.Ah So desuka __I am informed.
I'm sorry guys, but I remain unconvinced that Hitler didn't have Auschwitz in his head even as early as when he was writing Mein Kampf. I apparently can't prove it, and I know it's not scholarly, but my intuition tells me he fantasized about exterminating the Jews long before he even had the power and means to attempt it.
I think you give Hitler too much credit if you think he had it planned in his head. He was undoubtedly not unhappy to see them killed and may even have dreamed about it. I don't think however that he had concrete plans for how to do it when he came to power, much less when he was writing Mein Kampf in Landsberg prison.
Based on my reading and listening to survivors and former German soldiers, I am convinced Hitler gave both coherent and incoherent voice to traditional “murderous” European antisemitism, most especially in the Slavic lands where tribalism trumped and still does trump all other -isms. Remember former Yugoslavia?Murderous types also appeared in Western Europe as well in the collaborative governments.An anecdote. About fifteen years ago, I met a couple. The husband grew up in a Slovak immigrant family. When he brought home the English-German-Dutch American Protestant girl he wanted to marry, his mother called her a Jew no matter how much he protested she was not. He said his mother told him, "If she is not Slovak, she is a Jew."
Based on my reading and listening to survivors and former German soldiers, I am convinced Hitler gave both coherent and incoherent voice to traditional "murderous" European antisemitism, most especially in the Slavic lands where tribalism trumped and still does trump all other -isms. Remember former Yugoslavia?Murderous types also appeared in Western Europe as well in the collaborative governments.An anecdote. About fifteen years ago, I met a couple. The husband grew up in a Slovak immigrant family. When he brought home the English-German-Dutch American Protestant girl he wanted to marry, his mother called her a Jew no matter how much he protested she was not. He said his mother told him, "If she is not Slovak, she is a Jew."
People often forget that Hitler's views were more the norm with many in German/European society than not. It's no small wonder how his policies resonated so well with the German people. The Depression and the bitterness over losing World War I brought out the worst of a once proud people. Hitler played it all up that is for sure.
