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June 27, 2009 at 12:08 am #1637June 27, 2009 at 1:10 am #15879
Phidippides
KeymasterThe darkness has fallen.Let's just hope the voters remember this tax the next time they go to the polls.
June 27, 2009 at 1:17 am #15880cadremum
ParticipantSkiguy, Harry Reid can hope all he wants, there is no way the senate is going to pass this. If they tax people now, I don't care if its only $175 a year, there will be a new senate in 2010. Since when does the majority get to drop a 300 page ammendment to a bill just hours before the vote? It was packed with preferences for favored processing plants and extra carbon credits for Obama supporters. There is supposed to be deliberation, Obama wipes his feet on the Constitution. John Boehner was prepared to read all 300 pages.
The House held several hours of debate today on the cap-and-trade bill, which grew by a whopping 300 pages overnight, with a vote planned for this evening.Just as things were wrapping up, Rep. John Boehner took the floor for his several minutes to speak. When he surpassed his five minutes, and went cruising on past 20, Rep. Henry Waxman interjected with a parliamentary question (somewhat paraphrased, but close):"I know we have these magic minutes that allow leaders to speak forever, but is there a limit on how long he can speak, under parliamentary prodedure," he asked.The chair, Rep. Ellen Tauscher, answered the California Democrat disappointingly: "It is the custom of the House to hear the leader."Boehner then went on to read from the 300+ pages of amendments added to the 1,200-page at 3:09 a.m., berating the Congress for the irresponsible way it was approaching the mammoth bill:"Don't you think the American people expect us to understand what's in this bill before we vote on it," he asked. "I hate to do this to all of you, but when you file 300-pg amendment at 3:09 in the morning, someone has to work on it. I've been working on it today, and I'm gonna make sure you understand what's in this." Right now, he's still talking with no signs of slowing down. The reading of the bill is an edifying end to an embarrassing day on the floor, during which there was a lengthy debate between Tauscher, bill co-sponsor Rep. Ed Markey, and Republican Rep. Joe Barton on whether there was even a copy of the final version of the bill available for lawmakers to see (not that they'd read it).The Democrats were hoping for a vote this afternoon.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/john_boehner_takes_over_the_fl.aspOh that Henry Waxman!
June 27, 2009 at 1:20 am #15881cadremum
ParticipantDid you know that Patrick Kennedy left rehab to vote on this energy bill? Thats pretty serious.
June 27, 2009 at 8:43 am #15882skiguy
ModeratorKennedy represents the mental capacity of the Democrats.
there is no way the senate is going to pass this
I hope you're right. I thought the same about the House, though.
June 29, 2009 at 11:07 am #15883scout1067
ParticipantLet us all remember that according to the Democrats the Constitution is a living document. It interpretation should change to fit whatever is popular at the time, much like the Democrats principles. I would like to believe this climate bill will not pass but I am not so sure. Time will tell.
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