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October 27, 2010 at 8:55 am #2454
scout1067
ParticipantPortland, Maine, weighs letting noncitizens vote This one just leaves me speechless! What are they thinking?
October 27, 2010 at 10:16 am #22908Smardz
ParticipantThat's ridiculous. I could go to Maine and vote 😉
October 27, 2010 at 11:16 am #22909Aetheling
ParticipantI guess there are several conditions for those non-US citizens to be allowed to vote.- to be legal immigrant first but - must they live in the country for a minimun number of years ? - others ? and it's just for local elections. (just like in different countries as well, e.g. EU)
October 27, 2010 at 2:08 pm #22910scout1067
ParticipantYou are only able to vote where I live in Germany if you are a citizen, even if you are a legal immigrant. To me that is only right. If you want the franchise, become a citizen or go back home.
October 27, 2010 at 2:50 pm #22911Aetheling
ParticipantYou are only able to vote where I live in Germany if you are a citizen, even if you are a legal immigrant. To me that is only right. If you want the franchise, become a citizen or go back home.
or citizen of the EU living in another EU country.According to your article, it seems that other states are allowing non-citizens to vote for local issues.I think that US history is providing many examples of such vote-rights in the past.
October 27, 2010 at 3:29 pm #22912scout1067
ParticipantI guess this comes down to a personal opinion thing. I don't see why someone should get to vote if they are not going to bother becoming a citizen. If voting were that importaqnt to them then becoming a citizen should not be an issue. It strikes me as coddling people too lazy to expend the effort to become citizens; and yes, there is a lot of effort and paperwork involved in naturalization. There is a lot of effort and paperwork involved to become a legal resident too though, how come one thing is too hard but the other is not?
October 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm #22913Aetheling
ParticipantI guess this comes down to a personal opinion thing. I don't see why someone should get to vote if they are not going to bother becoming a citizen. If voting were that importaqnt to them then becoming a citizen should not be an issue. It strikes me as coddling people too lazy to expend the effort to become citizens; and yes, there is a lot of effort and paperwork involved in naturalization. There is a lot of effort and paperwork involved to become a legal resident too though, how come one thing is too hard but the other is not?
Nothing personal about this but facts: - some non-citizens are allowed to vote under specific circumstances- historically, this is not a "premi?re" in the US (http://www.law.ucla.edu/home/index.asp?page=2494 and http://www.springerlink.com/content/c1231800564p7247/fulltext.pdf
October 27, 2010 at 4:27 pm #22914Smardz
Participantand it's just for local elections. (just like in different countries as well, e.g. EU)
Only EU citizens can vote.
I guess there are several conditions for those non-US citizens to be allowed to vote.- to be legal immigrant first but
Right, but still I can go legally to Maine, vote for some populist just for fun and come back. Unless there're some other conditions.
October 27, 2010 at 4:35 pm #22915Aetheling
Participantand it's just for local elections. (just like in different countries as well, e.g. EU)
Only EU citizens can vote.
I guess there are several conditions for those non-US citizens to be allowed to vote.- to be legal immigrant first but
Right, but still I can go legally to Maine, vote for some populist just for fun and come back. Unless there're some other conditions.
The green card. (otherwise you're not a legal immigrant)
October 27, 2010 at 4:40 pm #22916scout1067
ParticipantAeth,I am not arguing you on facts. There are some municipalities in the US that allow it too as stated in the original article. My issue is that it should not be allowed in the first place. I don't even particularly care that it was once common in the US. Having he vote implies an interest in the future of the nation, the people with the most vested interest in what happens to a nation are its citizens, not legal residents. Ergo, the only people that should have the vote are citizens. I actually don't even think we should be having this discussion because in my mind the right answer is self-evident. I am having trouble wrapping my mind around how anyone can think it is OK for non-citizens to have voice in the affairs of a nation.As I said before, if voting were personally important enough to a legal immigrant then the effort of becoming a citizen to be able to vote should be a non-issue.
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