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May 16, 2007 at 9:11 am #7423
skiguy
ModeratorBy George, that makes perfect sense. I need to get out of my mind that anact of terror has to inflict mass casualties. Intimidation alone is enough to call itterrorism.From DHS, their definition of terrorism
Terrorism is the use of force or violence against persons or property in violation of the criminal laws of the United States for purposes of intimidation, coercion, or ransom.Terrorists often use threats to:Create fear among the public. Try to convince citizens that their government is powerless to prevent terrorism. Get immediate publicity for their causes.
May 16, 2007 at 2:37 pm #7424Phidippides
KeymasterI think that DHS quote is good to help shape the definition of terrorism but isn't the actual definition itself. For example, a gun-toting thug on the street could use intimidation toward a shop owner that refuses to sell his buddies some drinks. I think that scale has something to do with it as well. It said ELF or ALF had set some 1200 fires, which is a large scale effort. Notice how street gangs (e.g. Bloods and Crips) also use organization, intimidation, and illegal acts in the course of their activities. The missing element? Motive & intent.
May 16, 2007 at 3:37 pm #7425Stumpfoot
ParticipantNotice how street gangs (e.g. Bloods and Crips) also use organization, intimidation, and illegal acts in the course of their activities. The missing element? Motive & intent.
You dont think organized street gangs have motive and intent?
May 16, 2007 at 5:21 pm #7426skiguy
Moderatorand why would street gangs not be considered terrorists?
May 16, 2007 at 6:01 pm #7427Phidippides
KeymasterYou dont think organized street gangs have motive and intent?
Yes, they do have motive and intent, but it differs from motive and intent of WTC bombers or Timothy McVeigh types. As far as I know street gangs are not engaged in crime to make political or ideological statements or to make the government change its policies in one way or another. Perhaps I should have said "the distinguishing element" rather than "the missing element".
and why would street gangs not be considered terrorists?
I don't think they would be terrorists because of what I said above - their motive and intent. It's not beneficial to label all organized crime "terrorism", but it's also not beneficial to label true terrorists as ordinary criminals.
May 16, 2007 at 7:54 pm #7428Stumpfoot
ParticipantYa'll have to be s-p-e-c-f-i-c with us mountain folk, we get riled mighty easy.I dont think Gangs are terrorists, just greedy and violent.
May 18, 2007 at 4:13 pm #7429skiguy
ModeratorSuspect denied bail in Fort Dix case
Abdullahu, a legal U.S. resident, is charged with helping illegal immigrants obtain weapons, an offense punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
Why is he not charged with aiding and abetting terrorists?
May 18, 2007 at 5:12 pm #7430Stumpfoot
ParticipantThe strange thing to me about this is the lack of coverage you see in the media.
June 5, 2007 at 1:39 am #7431skiguy
ModeratorWhat's the difference between a terrorist and an insurgent? ;D
June 5, 2007 at 5:07 am #7432Stumpfoot
ParticipantDepends on your political view. ;D
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