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'Don't ask' repeal wins final passage I suppose if I say I am unhappy about this it makes me homophobic. I was convinced it was going to happen sooner or later, I guess it is sooner. I don't really have an issue with homosexuals serving, my biggest concern is how will they be billeted. If they billet gay and straight soldiers together in the barracks not only do I have a problem with it I foresee several incidents in the future. No doubt the military will overcome this hurdle like we have with every other social engineering experiment thrown at us. Time will tell how this works. I can only really say one thing, Thank God I retire in less than a year. Now we will see ow accurate DoD's stupid survey really was, and yes I was one of the people it was sent to. I am also one of the 60+% of combat arms troops who was opposed. Unfortunately in today's military there are something like 14 REMF's for every trigger puller. Here is the outstanding quote from the POTUS ?By ending 'Don?t Ask, Don?t Tell,' no longer will our nation be denied the service of thousands of patriotic Americans forced to leave the military, despite years of exemplary performance, because they happen to be gay,? Is that like I just happen to like the toys in Happy Meals? Or do they really expect me to believe that evolution or perhaps a fickle God made them gay and there is no choice in the matter?Here is another good one from the story "Nearly eight in 10 Americans support allowing gays to openly serve in uniform, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week." Nice statistic except for the fact that at any given time only slightly more than 1 American in 100 is in uniform. Sure nice of the rest of them folks to tell me who I have to live, fight, and possibly die with. I think every one of those 80% that think it is cool should be drafted and have to deploy for a year with a homosexual sitting next to them in the back of a Bradley or curled up next to them on some godforsaken mountain in Afghanistan on an LP/OP for a year too.Rant complete for now.
Thanks for telling us about the real poll from you guys in the military. I don't really care what America thinks, I only care what you folks in the military think about it because you have to sleep with them whether that's basic training or the mountains of Afghanistan.What's annoying is the argument the proponents are trying to make. Thery're posing this as a civil rights issue like blacks and women, and they can't be more wrong. It's not, it's a moral issue.
They're posing this as a civil rights issue like blacks and women, and they can't be more wrong. It's not, it's a moral issue.
That is the whole problem in a nutshell. It kind of like the abortion argument. One side thinks it is morally OK and the other does not. There just is not any middle ground. A sin is a sin no matter what you call it or how you rationalize it.
Rambling slightly related thoughts and comments:I read a news report today that stated that 1 in 4 Americans in the appropriate age group are medically or physically unqualified to serve in the military.It isn't a civil rights issue - it is a "good order and discipline" issue as it relates to combat effectiveness. How long before combat effectiveness and unit cohesion is destroyed because there is the perception that favoritism is being exercised in a combat situation? The dangerous tasks are never assigned to him because he's giving sexual favors to the squad leader or platoon sergeant? Or they are being assigned to him because he's not giving sexual favors to the squad leader or platoon sergeant? Doesn't matter if it is acually happening - the mere belief that it is happening is enough to destroy unit cohesion which in turn destroys combat effectiveness. There is no doubt that gay soldiers can fight effectively - that's not the issue, because we don't go into battle as individuals, we go in to battle as units.There is no conclusive proof that one is "born gay" - most scientists and psychologist theorize (that's the key word, theorize) that sexual orientation (or should that be preference) is determined by a combination of factors that may (another key word, "may") include genetics and environment. I thought that the choice of the phrase "sexual orientation" was telling - becuase that opens the door to Pandora's box. I don't doubt for a minute that it is a combination of "nature and nurture." A combination of genetics and environmental factors could result in a sexual orientation of an adult toward another adult of the same sex or of the opposite sex... okay, or perhaps it could result in a sexual orientation of an adult toward a child of the same or opposite sex - or perhaps toward farm animals - but does that make it acceptable to society? Does not a combination of genetics and environment result in a sexual orientation of some people to be promiscuous? Is homosexuality the same as pedophelia or screwing around on your spouse? Of course not - those are opposite ends of the extreme - but at what point do we draw the line about acceptable behavior? At what point do we, as a society, say that it is not okay to give in to some sexual impulses? We've already seen where society is willing to accept Roman Polanski's rape of a 13 year old girl simply because he's a celebrity - how far down the slope do we go, and how slippery will it be?
I had almost this same discussion at work the other day. The point I made was that if genetic predisposition makes homosexuality alright because they don't have a choice. Then by that same logic we should not hold someones actions against them if they get drunk and kill someone in a car wreck because they are genetically predisposed to alcoholism. By that logic, they have no choice but to drink right? My biggest issue is where will they be billeted and the perception of favoritism or treatment they receive because of their homosexuality, we already deal with that to an extent with female soldiers. How much worse will it be with homosexuals. There are also trust issues, especially in combat.What happens when one makes and unwelcome advance to a straight soldier and hat advance offends the straight soldiers moral sensibilities. I am certain that in that case the soldier who was offended will have to attend some type of mandatory counseling to give him the "correct" attitude. There are so many things wrong with this idea it is hard to even start.But, this will get shoved down the military's throat regardless and we will deal with it like we deal with all the other PC and feel-good crap we have to put up with.
Doesn't matter if it is a choice or not. People don't, nor should they have to, accept it if their own personal belief and moral system goes against it. So now I bet if a regular military guy doesn't feel comfortable around gays, which is not unusual, he'll probably be required to attend special 'diversity” training. That's either sad and/or sickening. I haven't figured out yet. The only reason society is accepting homosexuality is because it is being forced on everyone. If anyone says there isn't a gay agenda, then I disagree. Apparently their agenda has worked. It's in the workplace, schools (including Elementary), and now the military.What was wrong with DADT before? Gays could still join. Why do they want special rights? Besides, when I joined I remember the military was about conforming to what the military wanted me to be not the other way around. Now the gays want to transform the military. And the lame duck Congress has allowed them to do this. "Don't just accept me as a soldier, you have to accept me as a gay soldier." Do even blacks or hispanics consider themselves as a black/hispanic soldier or just soldier? It's not about being gay, it's about being a Soldier, Airman, or Marine. I just don't get why gays feel it is necessary to let everyone have to know he or she is gay.
Of course their will be mandatory training. It will go along with the mandatory consideration of others, equal opportunity, prevention of sexual harassment, diversity training, suicide awareness, and my personal favorite comprehensive soldier fitness training. I actually have a 6 page MSexcel tracker at work to track how many of the 20+ of the soldiers in my section has completed all of the mandatory training requirements.As to the Gay Agenda, I won't disagree with you. I won't even get started on what I think of the gay agenda, yes it does indeed exist.
