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January 10, 2009 at 12:03 pm #1445
skiguy
ModeratorNot sure if this was posted, but here's a very good link to many history books available online.http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=History
January 10, 2009 at 4:23 pm #14633DonaldBaker
ParticipantExcellent find! I bookmarked that page. 🙂
January 10, 2009 at 5:52 pm #14634Phidippides
KeymasterIndeed, looks like a great source. I would hate to be the one who had to make sure all those links were in working order, though. 😮
January 10, 2009 at 9:29 pm #14635scout1067
ParticipantYeah I bookmarked the page too. This also gives further fuel to my argument that the internet is increasingly relevant to serious historical scholarship. That is aimed at you Don ;D I love books as much as the next guy but internet archives are becoming very handy, especially people that cannot travel or dont have a nearby library.
January 10, 2009 at 11:01 pm #14636skiguy
ModeratorThat is aimed at you Don ;D
😀This just proves that one can get a degree without leaving the house.
January 10, 2009 at 11:11 pm #14637Phidippides
KeymasterThis just proves that one can get a degree without leaving the house.
I'm sure if your really wanted to you could also get a degree without studying. For more info, check the spam in your inbox. ;D
January 11, 2009 at 2:33 am #14638DonaldBaker
ParticipantI bookmarked the page, but I wouldn't use it in any serious paper I would be writing. My Ivory Tower is still very high and very secure. 🙂
January 11, 2009 at 3:20 am #14639scout1067
ParticipantI bookmarked the page, but I wouldn't use it in any serious paper I would be writing. My Ivory Tower is still very high and very secure. 🙂
But the barbarians are circling, if they have not already laid siege to it. ;D I for one think distance learning is great if high academic standards are insisted upon.
January 13, 2009 at 8:10 pm #14640Vulture6
ParticipantThis just proves that one can get a degree without leaving the house.
I'm sure if your really wanted to you could also get a degree without studying. For more info, check the spam in your inbox. ;D
You know... I heard an intersting comparison today about higher education and medicine. 30 years ago, simple surgeries required multiple day stays in the hospital. Even delivering a baby usually required a week's stay in the hospital. Now many deliveries are limited to an overnight stay. Two and a half years ago I had a hip replaced and stayed in the hospital for only three days. 30 years ago, insurance companies were paying for everything and outpatient clinics were seen as "voodoo medicine" -- now, just about every community has an outpatient clinic and most of us don't think twice about outpatient procedures.What will the face of higher education be 30 years from now? Online offerings are, by and large, much cheaper than their residential counterparts -- especially when you consider opportunity costs (working full time & being a part time student vs. being a full time student and working part time). At AMU, I'm paying $825 per course - plus books. I'm not paying any parking fees, technology fees, student life fees... My MA will cost me about $12 grand by the time I pay for all my books and fees... and having done a traditional elite 4 year undergrad and a non-traditional "night school" for grad school, I can honestly say that my online experience is superior to my residential or night school experiences. I sure as heck am learnging more - primarily because I'm more engaged (and, okay, maybe more mature... but that's debatable!).When I consider value, I'm not paying commuting costs to go to school. My tuition isn't paying for a crumbling physical plant or dormatories. My classes aren't taught by graduate assistants, and my school doesn't have their name on the side of some multi-million dollar football stadium (don't laugh, the Arizona Cardinals in the NFL play at University of Phoenix Stadium... I didn't even know that UOP had a football team!) Seriously, going back to the medical analogy, how long will it be before the ivy covered ivory tower is rendered largely irrelevant? More and more traditional brick and mortar schools are adding online components. More and more high school students are taking online college courses as an alternative to AP or IB courses. The next generation or two will be much more accepting of online education, and personally, I beleive that the higher education landscape will be significantly different in 20 or 30 years.Just my two cents....
January 13, 2009 at 11:00 pm #14641skiguy
ModeratorI agree with that last part. Before I decided to return, I always thought of school, and was always checking out the local colleges. I'm noticing more and more courses are now being offered online beyond the non-credit or general business courses. About the only online class I wouldn't take would be a language course. I don't think you can replace practicing speaking face to face with a group.
January 28, 2009 at 2:13 am #14642Phidippides
KeymasterAnyone ever try this site out?http://openlibrary.org/While I was on that site I saw that it linked to a book swap type of site:http://www.bookmooch.com/
January 28, 2009 at 1:00 pm #14643skiguy
ModeratorAnother one.http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/home.htmlwhich includes this amazing source!A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities And here's the index page to Greek religion and daily life (just in case anyone's doing a paper on the Olympics or something).
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