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The Tea Party will be absorbed and assimilated by the GOP. That movement might move the GOP back to the right, but it can't hope to do much else. The Two Party Duoaucracy will live on unabated.
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More than two in five, 43 percent, say they agree with the Tea Party's core principles...while 25 percent disagree
The number of people following Tea Party news has increased 8 percentage points since June to 50 percent, while the number in agreement is up 4 percentage points.
(emphasis mine) Increased this much in only 3 months! What's it going to do in a year? Are people finally beginning to wake up to the stupidity, evil, and illogic of the Left?
More in U.S. follow Tea Party news
More than two in five, 43 percent, say they agree with the Tea Party's core principles...while 25 percent disagree
The number of people following Tea Party news has increased 8 percentage points since June to 50 percent, while the number in agreement is up 4 percentage points.
(emphasis mine) Increased this much in only 3 months! What's it going to do in a year? Are people finally beginning to wake up to the stupidity, evil, and illogic of the Left?
Maybe but what?s to say that in a year support for the Tea Party won't wane especially if Tea Party candidates get elected and then can?t or won?t do anything to enact the agenda they ran on? I hope they are successful but the cynical side of me says that it is more likely that Washington and Washington corruption will dig its tentacles into Tea Party candidates as well. I sincerely hope I am wrong and will happily eat crow and listen to you tell me how wrong I was a year from now. Somehow I doubt it though. It will take more than a Tea Party to change the US government I am afraid.
More in U.S. follow Tea Party news
More than two in five, 43 percent, say they agree with the Tea Party's core principles...while 25 percent disagree
The number of people following Tea Party news has increased 8 percentage points since June to 50 percent, while the number in agreement is up 4 percentage points.
(emphasis mine) Increased this much in only 3 months! What's it going to do in a year? Are people finally beginning to wake up to the stupidity, evil, and illogic of the Left?
It also means they don't trust the Great Other Party ...
It also means they don't trust the Great Other Party ...
Well once we make them drink the Tea.......muwahahaha
Are people finally beginning to wake up to the stupidity, evil, and illogic of the Left?
Lets not resort to sweeping generalizations and name calling; that is the sort of thing that can make these discussions generate more heat than light. I think one of the biggest problems with a two party system is the inherent polarization. I can't be a little left of center; I have to choose between extremes.
It's not name-calling, it's an accurate description. Would "lack of common sense" and "godlessness" of the Left be better?
It's not name-calling, it's an accurate description. Would "lack of common sense" and "godlessness" of the Left be better?
Not really. Substantive discussion might be.
Something just hit me today. How come the Tea Party is not allying itself with the Libertarians? Of any party the Libertarians are the ones whose spending priorities and historical platforms seem most in line with the kind of spending plan the Tea Party advocates. Dare I say it that the Tea Party chose the Republicans to ally with because of perceived electability instead of doctrinal correctness?
Something just hit me today. How come the Tea Party is not allying itself with the Libertarians? Of any party the Libertarians are the ones whose spending priorities and historical platforms seem most in line with the kind of spending plan the Tea Party advocates. Dare I say it that the Tea Party chose the Republicans to ally with because of perceived electability instead of doctrinal correctness?
I think it's probably because there is simply no consistent showing of candidates from a "libertarian" party on ballots. We can be assured that the vast majority of races - national and local - will have a candidate with a "D" next to his name and one with an "R" next to his name. I don't know if there is any "L" party at all, and if candidates do run like that, it's sporadic.
Because most libertarians are socially liberal (pro-abortion, gay rights, pot) while most Tea Partiers and Republicans are socially conservative. (and electability has a bit to do with it as well, IMO)But the main reason is because the Tea Party is what the GOP should be.
It might surprise you to find out which administrations were truly fiscally conservative:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_termsLook at the increases and decreases in the debt to GDP ratio. I know, congress plays its part and it's not just the administration that is responsible but the executive branch definitely sets the tone on spending. Anyway, that is an additional reason to question the tea partiers' choice of existing parties to cozy up with.
Actually, I just got my absentee ballot for Texas and it has the option of voting a straight Libertarian ticket. There are libertarians running for just about every office on my ballot. As far as I concerned right now, the social issues take second place. Social stuff won?t matter if the country goes bankrupt because then we will be looking at a whole different ballgame and perhaps the dissolution of America as a nation.As far as fiscal responsibility goes, yes the executive sets the tone. But it is Congress, specifically the House, which is responsible for initiating spending bills. The president cannot pass or even sponsor a spending bill, he can just request and then veto or sign the bills he gets. I think and have always thought that blaming the president for the economy is not putting the blame where it belongs. The current congress is a perfect example, it certainly looks as though they will adjourn this week without even passing a Budget Resolution much less a spending bill.If the Tea Party can make the Republicans put their money where their mouth is on spending I will be amazed. On spending the Republicans have always been a do as I say, not as I do type party. That has not always been their fault though either though the majority of blame must attach to them.Ski has a good point that the Tea Party is what the GOP should be.
Saw this right after I made the last post. Food for thought at least.
The Desert, a parablePosted by Basil at 10:58 pmYou?re in the desert.It?s hot, the sun?s glare on the sand is blinding. When the wind whips up, the sand stings.You?re in the desert.You weren?t always in the desert. And you want to find your way out. But for the moment, you?ve accepted that you?re in the desert.You were thirsty earlier. You still are, but now, you?re also hungry.Up ahead, you see a figure in the distance. You blink, wipe the sand from your eyes to make sure you are seeing something, and not experiencing a mirage.It?s real.You pick up the pace and head towards the figure.Now, you see that it?s not one figure, but two.You?re nearer now, clearly making out the two figures. Each is sitting at a table, with an assortment of items in front.As you approach, each person smiles and rises, beckoning you closer.You walk up, and with a parched voice, say the only two words you can manage to utter: ?Water. Food.?The person on the right nods, and offers you two items from his table: dry white toast, and a cup of water.The person on the left offers you a rock.You look back at the dry white toast and cup of water, then at the rock.You make your decision, drinking half the cup of water immediately, then devouring the toast, washing it down with the rest of the water.?I?ve got more of the same,? the person on the right says.?I got rocks,? the person on the left says.You continue your trek through the desert, accompanied now by the person on the right with more dry white toast and water, and the person on the left with rocks.As your thirst and hunger return, you accept the dry white toast and drink the water, ignoring the rocks.But you keep looking. Somewhere, you know you?ll find someone with better food ? and a map out of the desert.And that is why I will vote for a Republican that I really don?t want. That Republican is still a huckuva lot better than the Democrat, but not what I?m looking for. And, yes, I will keep looking.
Scout,Actually, "setting the tone" is an understatement. The President creates the budget and gives it to congress. Congress has the power to change it, but rarely has and I don't think it ever has changed it significantly. Since Ronald Reagan was elected, there have been 20 budgets submitted by Republican administrations. I think you will be hard pressed to find one out of the 20 that is an example of being fiscally responsible.That is an odd parable. I was expecting the one that provided for your basic needs to be the Democrat and figured there was going to be a twist at the end that made the rocks desirable as a weapon or something.Ski,A little nit...
socially liberal (pro-abortion, gay rights, pot)
I don't know anyone who is "pro-abortion"; most people who are pro-choice are actually also pro-life if they are faced with the decision. They just don't believe they have the right to decide for everyone regardless of circumstances. Another well known secret is that most of us are NIMBYs when it comes to gay rights.
