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September 5, 2006 at 7:46 am #328
Stumpfoot
ParticipantWhat impact did the crusades have on history in general and the history of religion, in other words it's history and reputation.
September 5, 2006 at 9:54 am #6516Hobilar
ParticipantWhat impact did the crusades have on history in general and the history of religion, in other words it's history and reputation.
Which Crusades in particular? There were many different Crusades for many different reasons.
September 5, 2006 at 3:06 pm #6517Stumpfoot
ParticipantNo particular crusade. I know there were what, a dozen over 200 years? But they all seemed to be religiously sanctioned and military in nature.
September 12, 2006 at 1:57 am #6518Phidippides
KeymasterI think that the Crusades are largely misunderstood nowadays. The circumstances of the Crusades appear to parallel in some ways the current situation with Muslim vs. Christian relations in the world today.
September 15, 2006 at 7:29 pm #6519Stumpfoot
ParticipantHow do you think they are misunderstood?
March 16, 2007 at 4:17 am #6520Phidippides
KeymasterI think they are misunderstood because they are viewed in a vacuum. That is, people now look at it simply as a practice in religious intolerance by Christians against Muslims. Nevermind the political and continental security issues which Europeans of the day faced, and nevermind the fact that the Christians were driven out of the Holy Land eventually by the Muslims.
March 16, 2007 at 5:41 am #6521Stumpfoot
ParticipantMan, I had to wait 6 months for that answer. 😀
March 16, 2007 at 3:45 pm #6522Phidippides
KeymasterMan, I had to wait 6 months for that answer. 😀
Yeah I really hope I didn't disappoint! 😉 Actually, it's a good topic we ought to explore, perhaps in another thread, as it has similarities to what's going on in the world today.
April 5, 2007 at 8:30 pm #6523Stumpfoot
ParticipantDo we have to wait another 6 months for the new thread? 😀
April 5, 2007 at 8:34 pm #6524Phidippides
KeymasterYeah we still have 4 months to go. 😉Ok already, I'll try to work on something!
April 5, 2007 at 8:37 pm #6525Stumpfoot
ParticipantThe crowd is geting restless. 😆
April 5, 2007 at 8:59 pm #6526DonaldBaker
ParticipantThe crowd is geting restless. 😆
Does four or five active posters make a crowd these days? Just kidding. I like talking about the Crusades, but I want to see how the topic plays out before I jump in. I have my own views of course, but I enjoy reading how others feel about them. 😆
April 5, 2007 at 9:00 pm #6527Stumpfoot
ParticipantWe take what we can get. ::)
July 6, 2007 at 1:29 am #6528skiguy
Moderator…and 3 more months have passed.
In the modern mind, the Crusades are poorly and erroneously defined. Virtually everything thought about them is wrong. The Crusades were not a war; they were a series of wars. They were not fought between the ?Saracens? and the Franks, they were fought between Turk and Syrian and Egyptian and Byzantine and Mongol and at least three ?crusader? kingdoms, most of whom allied with and against each other at various times. The alliances only rarely followed along religious lines. The Crusades were also not national wars in any sense at all. They were medieval wars in which the feudal overlords of cities, castles, or provinces made war against each other with greed as the motivator and loot as the object. The Crusades were not religious wars. Lands were conquered not for Christ or Allah, but for warlords. The followers of a religion were as likely to be killed by their co-religionists as by their infidel opponents.1
1Nafziger, George F. Islam at War: A History. Westport, CT: Praeger Publishers, 2003. Praeger Security International Online. 5 Jul 2007.
July 6, 2007 at 3:31 am #6529Phidippides
KeymasterActually I think that the intent of the Crusades mirrors our modern War on Terrorism. Perhaps it's just coming full circle. Years from now Iraq may be portrayed as a “religious war” for all we know.
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