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I'll tell you right now that if they ever passed a ban on semi-auto weapons I would not obey it. Be damned the consequences.
I'll tell you right now that if they ever passed a ban on semi-auto weapons I would not obey it. Be damned the consequences.
How in the world would they ever enforce such a ban? With some 300 million or whatever guns in the U.S. (I'm guessing this does not count those in the hands of the military/government), would they go knocking door to door, asking homeowners to turn them over? I can't ever foresee something like that happening. Maybe they would just enact a ban on the sale of such guns? At least that is something they could largely enforce.
Well, all this talk by politicians about gun control illustrates one very important point – it's not a good idea to legislate based upon emotions. I'm getting tired of all this talk about gun control lately. Yes, tragedies have occurred, in CT and in CO not that long ago. These were done by individuals who presumably had mental problems. In a nation of 300 million, a handful of people are going to be the cause of sweeping legislation? This is only possible because of the deep emotional effect the shootings have had on people. And as we should all know by now, most liberal arguments seem to be based on emotion, rather than reason.I remember seeing a speaker talk about political ideologies, and how liberals hold the view that man is good, but corrupted by certain outside influences; take away the guns, and man will live in peace with his brother. This view seems to ignore the fact that man is already corrupted. In essence, they are refusing to look at the real cause of the problems our nation is facing.
It's not just liberals though. Some on the Right are really in a panic about everything. They are not going to ban our guns. If you listened objectively to Obama yesterday, he made no hint of that.
I wouldn't put much stock in what Obama says or doesn't say, given his track record. Now, I'm not panicking about anything that is imminent or not; rather, what I'm trying to say is that passing legislation in the heat of the moment creates bad policy. Yes, I realize that some Republicans hop on board in times like this, as it makes them look “responsive” to the needs of the nation. And, I imagine there are those on the left that don't want to rush into anything either, and I would respect them for that. It's just that generally speaking, I think the recent clamoring for more restrictive gun laws has come from the left.
I repeat, what stricter gun laws, outside a ban, would have stopped the guy in Connecticut? Answer, none. Gun Laws are only obeyed by law abiding citizens. If you have made up your mind on mass murder you will find a way. I personally know of a minimum of five different methods to make explosives from common household chemicals. I can even make a firearm from plumbing pipe, it may only be good for one or two shots but that is one dead individual.The objection is not to guns per se, it is that he killed 26 people, most children. people naturally recoil from the horror of that. The sad part is that we are so regressed that immediately people start making calls for the government to do something. Wha? What can the government do without trampling over everybody else's rights? The answer is nothing. The idiots calling for stricter regulation are the same ones who think the joke at the airport makes them safer. They don't want effective measures, they want visible measures.I for one, am not willing to give up my rights so cowards who are unwilling or unable to defend themselves or those in their charge can feel better. Keep your hands off my rocket launcher, I have never killed anybody that did not deserve it and I don't plan on starting anytime soon. Neither do millions of fellow gun owners so why are we supposed to shoulder the burden and pay for the acts of this one moron? By all means take all the guns away from criminals, I am with you there. Unless and until I or my fellow gun owners commit a crime why should we give ours up?
The objection is not to guns per se, it is that he killed 26 people, most children.
The objection is that mentally ill people have easy access to guns in some states. Schizophrenic? Domestic abuser? No problem. Just go to a gun show where you can get whatever gun you want and bring it home immediately, no questions asked.If I needed a background check in RI to purchase a gun it should be the same for all.
The objection is that mentally ill people have easy access to guns in some states. Schizophrenic? Domestic abuser? No problem. Just go to a gun show where you can get whatever gun you want and bring it home immediately, no questions asked.If I needed a background check in RI to purchase a gun it should be the same for all.
So you are not making objections based on the particular case from Newtown? The shooter there obtained his guns illegally. In fact, he killed his own mother to obtain the weapons. You did not answer my question: I repeat, what stricter gun laws, outside a ban, would have stopped the guy in Connecticut? Answer, none.
Probably have could prevented those nutcases from AZ or the Batman movie. If there was a background check, they likely would have found a history of mental illness.
Probably have could prevented those nutcases from AZ or the Batman movie. If there was a background check, they likely would have found a history of mental illness.
You do realize you are doing the same thing you occasionally accuse liberals of? That is, changing the terms of a debate mid stream. We were talking about what laws, old or new, that would have stopped the guy in Newtown absent an outright ban.Separately, I don't think you have made a compelling case for stricter gun laws to begin with. 3 massacres killing less than 50 people in 1 year in a nation of 300 million people do not make a wave. The media has sure done a good job of sensationalizing and raising "awareness" of a largely non-existent problem haven't they. Don't get me wrong, I feel very deeply for the children and families of those killed. However, the politicization of their tragedy to advance the liberal agenda makes me sick and furthers justifies why I despise modern liberals. "Never let a crisis go to waste" indeed!
I seriously think that citizens should be able to buy fully automatic rifles without the Class III crap.
You do realize you are doing the same thing you occasionally accuse liberals of? That is, changing the terms of a debate mid stream.
No I didn't. We have touched on the subject of mental illness a few times in this thread.
3 massacres killing less than 50 people in 1 year in a nation of 300 million people do not make a wave.
So all the other murders don't count?
I seriously think that citizens should be able to buy fully automatic rifles without the Class III crap.
I agree with you 100%
No I didn't. We have touched on the subject of mental illness a few times in this thread.
We didn't touch on it, you did. Besides, mental illness is just a niche issue used to open up gun control and put it on the table, if that doesn't work you will bring up convicted felons. Law abiding gun owners are ignored when gun control comes up. This is asinine as the number of people who own guns and never murder someone vastly outnumbers criminal gun owners. You better some up with something better than it might work to justify curtailing the rights of millions.
So all the other murders don't count?
And how often are guns used to prevent or stop crimes?
This is why this debate is difficult to agree on. I believe in the 2nd and that we should be able to own guns, but I think it should be regulated just as much as, if not more than, driving an automobile. It won't solve the problem, but it would help. I don't think banning a certain type of firearm will solve anything. On the other hand, I don't see a practical need for a full-auto AK47. Anyone who hunts that way is deranged. I don't think every elementary school teacher should carry, but I do think there should be an armed person within the school. A principle, counselor, or some other school employee should have access to a gun(s). No need to pay all this extra to hire cops or armed guards.
