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June 3, 2008 at 3:29 pm #1101
scout1067
ParticipantSaw this today while trolling the web: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/06/the_wind_of_change.htmlIt reminded me of some of the things I saw a few years ago at the Kriminalmuseum in Rothenburg ob der Tauber. Medieval justice was certainly swift and to the point.Here is the site for the Kriminalmuseum: http://www.kriminalmuseum.rothenburg.de/Englisch/page1.html
June 4, 2008 at 1:45 am #11669quikdraw67
ParticipantI really thought this was a bust on Jethro Tull until I read the links 😀
June 4, 2008 at 1:50 am #11670Phidippides
KeymasterWork for “dastardly crimes against music”, lol. There are probably quite a few American singers who could be added to the list as well.I think the medievals punished severely because it was harder to catch criminals. Think about it back then - no CSI, no criminal databases, no fingerprinting. Nowadays it's much easier to catch criminals and we're more lenient.
June 4, 2008 at 1:55 am #11671skiguy
ModeratorI really thought this was a bust on Jethro Tull until I read the links 😀
LOL. I didn't even think that until now. 😀
June 4, 2008 at 12:16 pm #11672scout1067
ParticipantWork for "dastardly crimes against music", lol. There are probably quite a few American singers who could be added to the list as well.I think the medievals punished severely because it was harder to catch criminals. Think about it back then - no CSI, no criminal databases, no fingerprinting. Nowadays it's much easier to catch criminals and we're more lenient.
I dont necessarily think it was harder to catch criminals then. Most people are still busted because they open their mouths to the wrong person. the number of cases solved exclusively by technology is staggeringly low. What modern technology does is confirm the correctness of traditional police work. I just think that the nedieval mind was devious in ways we dont even think of. I wish I could find a picture of the mask they made gossips wear. It was hilarious and scary at the same time. They also have examples os chastity belts, stains and all.
June 4, 2008 at 12:40 pm #11673Phidippides
KeymasterThat is just what I had heard – since the rate of catching criminals was lower, the punishments were greater. Even if advanced forensics isn't used very frequently nowadays, as you suggest it is the advancement in general training and techniques that help police. Even the use of a car or a two-way radio give a far greater advantage when tracking down a common bank robber, something that obviously was missing in the Middle Ages….but even things like basic procedures following an assault, means of gathering information from the community – these are things that I imagine have been improved over the ages significantly through trial and error. I imagine that the medievals also did not have the capacity to imprison criminals for the length of time that we generally do now, so the punishments were shorter in duration but more severe. My visit to the torture and martyrdom museum in Assisi, Italy was quite a memorable experience. Some of the more vile instruments were included in there and it is hard to understand how or why people would decide to come up with some of those "tools".
June 4, 2008 at 2:05 pm #11674scout1067
ParticipantSome of the more vile instruments were included in there and it is hard to understand how or why people would decide to come up with some of those "tools".
The human imagination is a fertile thing, is it not?
June 4, 2008 at 10:26 pm #11675quikdraw67
ParticipantOk, mabye not Tull, but Zamfir…remember that timless K-TEL classic, Zamfir and his Magic Flute ;D
June 4, 2008 at 11:48 pm #11676Phidippides
KeymasterOk, mabye not Tull, but Zamfir...remember that timless K-TEL classic, Zamfir and his Magic Flute ;D
Don't forget that Johnny Carson bit...the "Master of the Beerflute" (playing beer bottles).
The human imagination is a fertile thing, is it not?
I say, that museum made quite an impression on me. The cruelty of the man was rather shocking. I suppose it should be said that the overall effect is greater when all these torture devices are together in one room. It's actually a good experience to go to one of those places for those who can handle it.
June 5, 2008 at 2:25 pm #11677scout1067
ParticipantMy first visit to the Kriminalmuseum was when I was 25, I was young and thought it was cool then. I took my son about 3 1/2 years ago and was alarmed at man's cruelty to man. Especially given that I had to explain everything to my son. It is amazing the different ways the same things are viewed as we age. I guess I am growing up, if rather slowly.
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