If you had to come up with a list of 5 to 10 of the top European political figures of the 20th century, who would they be? Interpret “top” as you wish…influential, most significant, etc.
1. Adolf Hitler2. Josef Stalin3. Winston Chruchill4. Kasier Wilhelm II5. Charles de Gaulle6. Margaret Thatcher7. Willy Brandt8. Mikhael Gorbachev9. Francisco Franco10. Helmut KohlI chose to list them by who I thought had the most significant impact on the course of European history in the 20th century.
1. Jean Monnet2. Robert Schuman3. Paul-Henri Spaak4. Konrad Adenauer5. Wiston Spencer Churchill6. Richard Nikolaus de Coudenhove-Kalergi7. Johan Willem Beyen8. Alcide De Gasperi9. Joseph Bech10. BeneluxAll of them because they could overcome nationalism and revengefulness to build the European Community
That assumes you think the EC is a good thing. I know plenty of Germans and some others that do not think it is. Personally, I am of two minds on it. It has good points and bad points.
That assumes you think the EC is a good thing. I know plenty of Germans and some others that do not think it is. Personally, I am of two minds on it. It has good points and bad points.
I don't think it really does (depend on whether or not the EC is a good thing) - that standard doesn't apply to other top European influencers such as Hitler or Stalin -- I don't think the argument is that Nazism or Soviet Communision was a good thing -- good or bad, I think that there is a case to be made that the architects of the EC were amongst the top political influencers in Europe. The only argument that I might have, is that although these people acted on unification in the 20th Century, perhaps they should be seen as the most influential individuals in 21st Century Europe, since that may well be where the biggest impact of their efforts and actions will be felt.
Interesting concept and responses so far ? especially since we get to define ?top? ;D.Here are some thoughts:How about David Lloyd George and Georges Clemenceau as the primary architects of the Treaty of Versailles? How would the future of Europe in the 20th Century have been different if the Treaty of Versailles had been a little more tempered instead of punitive?I would argue that there is a case that Leopold von Bethmann Hollweg should replace Kaiser Wilhelm II on Scout?s list. How much of the political and diplomatic maneuvering from 1911 to the start of the First World War was active/proactive on the part of the Kaiser and how much was led by the policies, personality, and gambling nature of Bethmann Hollweg (and Foreign Minister Jagow)?Is there a case to be made for Nikita Khrushchev? Would Glasnost have a foundation without Khrushchev?s de-Stalinization programs?I have to echo Hitler, Stalin, and Churchill? as well as Konrad Adenauer and Jean MonnetOkay, the final slot in my top ten may be a little controversial?Two choices ? Otto von Bismarck - Although Bismarck acted in the 19th Century, his influence on the early 20th Century (and thus the remainder of the 20th Century) was significant. Obviously the argument can be (and has been) made that there is a definite continuity between the foreign policies and ambitions of Bismarckian-Wilhelmine Germany and Hiter?s Third Reich. Without Bismarck, would there have even been a Hitler? Of course, we could carry this to the extreme and include many other influential figures from European history.George C. Marshall ? I know, I know, Marshall was an American? but without the Marshall Plan, what would the Europe of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s have looked like? Maybe he doesn?t qualify as a ?European Political Figure? but I thought I?d throw him into the mix for discussion?s sake.
1. Jean Monnet2. Robert Schuman3. Paul-Henri Spaak4. Konrad Adenauer7. Johan Willem BeyenAll of them because they could overcome nationalism and revengefulness to build the European Community
Je suis d'accord 🙂
That assumes you think the EC is a good thing. I know plenty of Germans and some others that do not think it is. Personally, I am of two minds on it. It has good points and bad points.
From my perspective there are many more bad points than good. Economic integration was and is a smart idea. The current move to create some kind of United States of Europe is ahorrible idea and seems set up to let the bigger countries i.e. France, Germany, Britain lord it over the smaller ones. The question to ask is who benefits from greater political integration. My answer is not countries like Poland, Czech, Slovakia, or Romania they look set to be exploited except for maybe Poland whose people have a long memory of what foreign domination really means. I would expect Poland to be chafing the most at limits and encroachments on the perogatives and privelges being made on national sovereignty but instead it is the tiny Czech Republic that is calling a spade a spade and being pilloried for it.