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July 20, 2007 at 3:11 am #782
Phidippides
KeymasterPerhaps you've seen the controversy over Tom Cruise's portrayal of Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg in the upcoming movie Valkyrie. If you recall your World War II history, Stauffenberg was the figure who double-crossed Hitler and tried to assassinate him by placing a bomb underneath a table at a meeting.Some people say that Tom Cruise shouldn't portray this character, who is supposedly held in high regard in Germany as a German who tried to stop Hitler. The feelings against Cruise is because of his belief in Scientology, which some claim is exploitative. Here's the story: Cruise starts filming anti-Hitler drama amid German uproarMy question - do you think that these Germans are right in their thinking that their hero shouldn't be played by someone involved with Scientology? Or do they have no right to complain?
July 20, 2007 at 2:23 pm #9297DonaldBaker
ParticipantThey have a right to complain and not go to see the movie, and Cruise has a right to practice Scientology and earn a living. 🙂
July 20, 2007 at 8:10 pm #9298Stumpfoot
ParticipantFrom a entertainment point of view I think It's a miscast, I like cruise as an actor but not in this, Though Far and Away was good. But from the Germans point of view I agree. He's a national hero, they disagree with Cruise' personal decsions, what if another country placed an actor in the role of Washington that we felt took away from the man he was?
July 20, 2007 at 9:18 pm #9299Phidippides
KeymasterI agree with Donnie's view and part of Stumpfoot's view. I think he has a right to act in the movie regardless of his religion/belief and I think it's rather surprising for Germans to complain about this. I thought that they would be the kind to be more accomodating to minority belief systems. But it could be that Tom Cruise isn't the best for this part. At least I can't really envision it at this stage. I would almost think that someone like a Paul Giamatti-type would be better (although he seems to be used more in supporting roles). I also think that if some foreign film company decided to cast an actor as Lincoln I wouldn't have any problem with it unless they tried to twist history in the storyline. True, the movie could flop if they cast the wrong actor, but this could be the case with any movie. If they some day decided to cast Christopher Walken as George Washington, the movie might turn out really bad but I don't think I'd have anger at Christopher Walken; rather, I'd think that the director/producer just did a really bad job in casting the movie.
July 21, 2007 at 7:47 pm #9300Phidippides
KeymasterWell it appears the filming of the movie may be underway already.Nazi planes fly over village for Cruise film
July 21, 2007 at 8:03 pm #9301skiguy
ModeratorIt is illegal to display Nazi symbols in public in Germany, although filmmakers and theatrical companies are exempted.
Interesting. I wonder if the Germans used the "I hateTom Cruise" excuse (not that I blame them for that ;D) as just an excuse to prevent the filming of a movie with Nazi symbols.
December 14, 2008 at 6:07 pm #9302Phidippides
KeymasterWell this movie is about to be released. By the look of the previews, it should be pretty good.
December 14, 2008 at 8:39 pm #9303scout1067
ParticipantI want to see the film, the previews make it look good. I agree that Cruise should have been allowed to make the movie. The Germans have outlawed scientology ruling it a cult and they have a visceral dislike for it.Incidentally, I went to the Bendlerstrasse a few years ago. Col. von Stauffenbergs office is now part of a museum dedicated to the Germans who resisted Hitler and Nazism. There is a large section about the July 20 plot and also a section devoted to the Wjite Rose and the Scholl's. There is also a monument in the courtyard on the location where some of the plotters were shot. It is a good museum and worth seeing if you go to Berlin. They have a website here:Museum der Deutscher Widerstand
January 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm #9304cadremum
Participanthttp://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentReader.aspx?Item=5_942124804"Cruise Conquers Germany"Not bad Tom, now if only you could stop schlepping Scientology! Anyone remeber reading "Dianetics" way back when?It all sounds so convincing until you get to where Hubbard's hypnotists are your only salvation.
January 2, 2009 at 11:02 am #9305scout1067
ParticipantHas anyone seen this yet?And yes, Dianetics sounds really good until you get to the really flaky parts towards the end. But it was all the rage when I was in high school.All I can say is curse those Thetans for not spreading the wealth more evenly. I look supsiciouly at any religion that wants positively huge monetary contributions from its members in return for advancement in the faith.On an unrelated note, when I was in Rome a few years ago I was surprised to discover that the Catholic church is still selling indulgences. This is a practice I had thought stoppped a few hundred years ago, but we happened upon a cathedral where you could purchase an indulgence. I was so surprised I took a picture of the sign, which I cannot find any more.
January 2, 2009 at 7:18 pm #9306cadremum
ParticipantWhy am I not surprised? Tithes for the Lud, Tithes for the pretender.
January 3, 2009 at 2:17 am #9307DonaldBaker
ParticipantTom Cruise is just another punk from Louisville,KY………………………..oops, I think I just outted myself with this statement. 🙂
January 3, 2009 at 8:13 am #9308Phidippides
KeymasterIs he really from Louisville? With a lot of these celebrities you forget where they came from…but it seems like they often come from fly-over country.
January 3, 2009 at 10:04 am #9309scout1067
ParticipantSaw the first preview for this movie last night on German TV. It looks good but it doesnt open over here until the 22nd of January. I am probably going to have to wait for it on DVD becasue my wife jas ruled out my son seeing it. I dont get this, my son has actually been to the Bendlerstrasse and seen the place where he was shot. I think I have already mentioned that it is now a museum to German resistance to the Nazis.
January 4, 2009 at 2:11 am #9310DonaldBaker
ParticipantIs he really from Louisville? With a lot of these celebrities you forget where they came from...but it seems like they often come from fly-over country.
Yes he is along with the likes of Diane Sawyer, Victor Mature, Eddie Money, Muhammad Ali, and Foster Brooks.
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