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Would it be when Iraq is a self-sustained, US friendly, democratic government? Is it when there are no more insurgents? Is it defined by the number of our troops there? Perhaps one could say victory has already been achieved.
When Iraq can stand on it's own, then the objective will be acheived. The only part I find unsettleing is that there is so much unrest in that region of the world how can we be so sure it will last? As for the insurgents (or terrorists really) they arent going to go away any time soon, so if one is waiting on that for victory, then they better not hold their breath.
This is a difficult question to answer, and success in Iraq can only truly be measured in ten or twenty years time. “Victory” can be measured in stages; an end to major hostilities (laughed at now by the left), transfer of governing power to the Iraqis, transfer of total provincial police control to the Iraqis, general autonomous rule by the Iraqis, victory over the inevitable rise of insugencies in Iraq after the Coalition is gone, etc. If the Coalition pulls out but three years later the country falls to a bloody civil war, I think people will say there was no real victory. So this all must be gauged over the long term.
