Well, Muslims were between West Europe and Asia, it's not until Vasco Da Gama who could find a way to reach Asia that Europeans could trade directly with Asia. Until then, trade routes have to pass through the Muslim world. Not to mentioned that some Muslim scholars studied classical authors as well; sciences that emerged in Europe were also brought by Muslims (algebra, Averroes, etc) during their Golden Age.
November 10, 2009 at 4:41 pm
in reply to: Vikings#16855
I agree with you Scout but you can't obliterate your background, I mean your education, your culture, your ideals even if you want to reach perfection. That's why I believe historians, as human being, can tend to be perfectible but might mar as well.
....When you compare with the Canada-USA border, members of NAFTA just like Mexico, don't you wonder why it's so different? ::)BTW Nafta was signed in 1994, while the mexico-US wall was upgrated after the 9/11 attacks...I have a doubt !! California, Texas: where do these states initially come from ? We might have a chance to meet while harvesting in California during our summer job? 😀 (talking about incentive from the US to "wetbacks")
November 10, 2009 at 3:38 pm
in reply to: Vikings#16853
About the Mexico-USA border, it's more an economic wall than an political one (twin-cities, maquiladoras) despite the NAFTA treaty…http://www.migrationinformation.org/special_mexico.cfm Hadrian and Antonine walls, Israel, Berlin wall, the Berm in Western Sahara and in more than 20 countries are separation walls or barriers constructed to limit the movement of people across a certain line or border, or to separate two populations.It's working for a time but it doesn't seem to last much.It looks more like a provocation triggering the reason why these barriers were built for. :-On the other hand, such walls wouldn't denote a kind of weakness from their builders ?
November 10, 2009 at 11:15 am
in reply to: Vikings#16851
... History is made of human facts; it's not chemistry , physics or mathematics ! ...
History, in particular is a mix of objective and subjective... ...We don't know everything about history so one interpretation is always subject to change based on new evidence or analysis. History is not math or science, there are very possibly more than one right answer to any issue that may interact synergystically...
Personally, I don't see any justification for modern walls like the ones between Mexico-USA or Israel. History has shown that no human border ever prevent to achieve the reason for their erection. Nor the Chinese, the Romans and Soviets could ever contain people to move freely, to invade or to migrate wherever they wanted.Walls look more like a kind of provocation than dissuasion.Not to talk about corruption, betrayal, violence or treachery these walls ignite.Why even with lessons from History, it keeps luring rulers ? 8)
Interpretation is subjective, but history does not have to be. It must be based on critical research and a sober assessment of sources.
Who is making the critical research and sober assessment ? A human !! Someone who will interpret, analyse and comment about a historical fact according his culture, education and philosophy of his time. History is made of human facts; it's not chemistry , physics or mathematics !
It's a bit audacious from Menzies. Especially when no Chinese scholar ever stated or supported such idea.Once again, there is a lack of primary sources to prove his assumption.
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