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I have no knowledge in this topic area so I bow to those with more knowledge. But as a Global Moderator here, I am watching the value of the arguments expressed to ensure they do not deteriorate into a less than academic conversation....if you get my meaning. 🙂
You appear to be in good company regarding domain knowledge.Thank you for your service as a moderator. I've been offered that position many times and was only tempted once. It is, in my view, mostly a thankless responsibility and I admire anyone willing to take it on with integrity.
We seem to have come to the point where I must resort to one of my favorite GBS quotes.
George Bernard Shaw wrote:The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.I did not launch an ad hominem attack on you,
Had I felt it was against me, I would not have mentioned it.
You should reference the whole passage and not just one sentence whose meaning is easily changed when taken out of context.
Context does not obviate my point. Once you eliminate the basis for a line of reasoning, whatever your explanation, you cut off dialog on that reasoning. All I am left with is dialog on your explanation.
I get that you disagree with me.
I don't think you do! I disagree with your approach to exposition, not necessarily your conclusions. I think you could have made many of your points, some of which I find worth while for me to investigate, without insulting the author or the science on which he chose to base his conclusions.
I have personal experience of combat in a cavalry unit, that is what I base my belief on. What about you?
I am grateful beyond my ability to express in words for your service to our country. I was not so privileged. Even though I am somewhat long in the tooth, I have been exploring serving as a civilian in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unfortunately, in my profession, a current security clearance is required and mine has long since expired.
If you feel differently, I would be interested in your conclusions and the reasons for them.
I'm just reacting more to your "over the top" comment. I think any type of plagiarism is not good, especially if it's an academic work. And in my own personal opinion, it does affect an author's credibility.
Something for you to consider. In most things in life, there are shades of gray, not just black and white. For someone who puts his name on someone else's work as someone who has a ghostwriter and does not acknowledge it, it would not be over the top to call them a plagiarist. I can nowhere find a reference to Ambrose committing such an egregious act. What he did was careless and deserving of censure. I do not think it deserves the tone used by the OP, and therefore does not make the attempted point.
I have read that article as well as several others of the 67,500 listed when I did the search on Google. That was how I came to the conclusion that plagiarism was over the top in describing what Ambrose had done.If you feel differently, I would be interested in your conclusions and the reasons for them.
For me the purpose of dialog is to learn. Whether I agree or not, I'm always trying to learn something about the premises upon which my conclusions are based. On occasion someone has brought something to my attention that has resonated with me and caused me to reevaluate my premises and draw different conclusions.I am familiar with the references you provided. Google is my friend. 8)Ad hominem attacks as argument have little effect on my thinking, whomever the source.
scout1067 wrote:The Marine Corps also includes some selections by Ambrose, a confirmed plagiarist does that mean he gains credibility as well by his inclusion?This, unfortunately for me, is so far over the top for the mistakes he made, I am now having difficulty taking much of what you say as an opportunity for me to learn anything.Precluding any invocation of science, i.e. psychiatry or psychology, or academic credentials, I've looked elsewhere to see how LTC Dave Grossman is evaluated on his writing.I came across the US Marine Corp Reading List, updated December 27, 2007. LTC Grossman has two books on the reading list. I could find no other author with more than one book.Extracted from US Marine Corps Reading List:
Gunnery SergeantOn Combat : the Psychology and Physiology of Deadly Conflict in War and in Peace by Dave Grossman with Loren W. Christensen
- Master Sergeant / First SergeantOn Killing : the Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by Dave Grossman
- Captain / Chief Warrant Officer 3On Combat : the Psychology and Physiology of Deadly Conflict in War and in Peace by Dave Grossman with Loren W. Christensen
For me, that is sufficient to establish his veracity.
I have also met him, and I don't recognize the person that wrote this book. I think it is a travesty and he obviously does not understand the process of killing as much as he thinks he does.
And when you discussed your concerns, what was his response?
On Killing: LTC Dave GrossmanI should preface my analysis by claiming that I am not a big believer in Psychiatric or Psychological theory.
Pretty well cuts off any meaningful dialog, doesn't it? All that remains is the trading of opinions.I've met LTC. Grossman. I don't recognize the person you describe in your review.
