The Balkans have always been a thorn in Europe's side.  I suppose this is not likely to change even in our lifetimes.

It certainly will not.  As long as the people of the Balkans think they are not getting their due they will continue to be a thorn.  They are like a pot that is always perilously close to boiling over.

In spite of I stopted my participation, I have to put in order something, because I am the author of this posting. BULGARIANS ARE NOT NATIONALISTS! Bulgarian people is a very tolerate people. Bulgarians are halved and they have not any hate to the others. But the goal of this posting is to put in order some misguidens about Bulgarians. Do not draw away the theme! BULGARIANS ARE THRACIANS. They have many contribucions to europeans and to the world. Now, I realy stop my participation.

But nobody brews beer like the Germans.  ;D There are so many different kinds too.  My local getrankemarkt must have 30-40 different brands and kinds of beer.  I haven't even tried all of those yet.

I beg to differ. Germans are good but the Belgians and the Checzks(sp?) are better.The best beer I've had are the trappist beers by far.

The Belgina Blonde beers are pretty good and so are some of the Czech Lagers but I still maintain that the German Lagers are the best.  There is a brewey/hotel near Bamberg that makes one of the best Lagers I have ever had called Hirsch Trun or Deer drink.  The best beer ever is a monastery beer from near Fulda.  You simply cannot beat Kreuzberg Klosterbeir.

Boys, it is not good for you to make fun with the theme about Thracians and Bulgarians. In this way you make a fool yourself. The problem is yours.

Hellow! I have to tell something very important. We Bulgarians are Thracians. This proves our modern language, its structure and many words. You can see that in my book "Who are we? The language, wich we speak, shows that or what is the truth about Bulgarian people." This book is written in bulgarian and after a week will be in the bookshops in Sofia. Some books will be and in Library of congres in USA,  and British library in London. I have not enogh time to translate in english, but you will manage with that, the book is not a big one, because the truth is always a short thing. Otherways, it is seeped away. Read this book, it shows one very part of the world history and put many questions about the origin of many peoples of Indoeuropean family. Soon, I will show in wich places in Sofia, this book will bo sold.

Do you mean you are of Greek ancestry ??

No!!! I do not mean that! We Bulgarians are not of Greek ancestry! Thracians are not of Greek ancestry! Thracians are a different people from Greeks! Please, remember that! Thracians are many times an more ancient people than Greeks! Thracian culture is the base of the greek civillisation and many other civillisations, too! It dose not mean that Thracians are Greek ancestry! Do not make this mistake! Thracian people is one unique people, very different from Greek people! Read my book and will understand many things!

The old greek language is not a dead one

Yes it is.  It is not used anymore, the pronunciation is different, as well as the spelling. What modern peoples speak Koine or even Byzantine Greek today? This is similar to Old and Modern Gaelic.  No one uses or speaks old Gaelic anymore, except for scholars.

The Thracians are the real native inhabitants on the Balkan peninsula and the others are new comers and their languages are with a different structure.

Again, I ask, what proof do you have?

The ancient chronicles confirmed that!

Examples of these alleged ancient chronicles (preferably translated into English) would be appreciated.

Before about 10000 years from Balkan peninsula Old Bulgarians went to the east and in 7 century A. D. they returned in the peninsula. The other peoples on the Balkans are new-comers-what of that, but their languages are with a different structure from this of the Bulgarian language. This shows that old Bulgarians are Thracians, who are returned in their native land. May be ancient chronicles, deleberately, are not estimated. May be someone do not want Bulgarians to be so ancient ones. Ask any fillologist, about the structure of one language and he will explain you, that the structure is the base of the language, one constant thing, like one concrete.   Gentlemen, you do not want to recognize that Bulgarians are Thracians, who are the base of European civillisation and who created 3 big and powerful states in Europe and saved the continent.  I said, what I have to say. The facts exist and talk. For that reasn I stop to write.  But I am very grateful to you, because you ,with your questions, helped me to make the name of Bulgaria more famous and to show, that Bulgarian people deserves more respect and the same time I to practise my english.  THANK YOU, VERY MUCH !

If the source is flawed or suspect, logically any conclusions drawn from information in that source are also suspect.  that is the point I am driving at here.  I am perfectly willing to accept your conclusion if it is based on sound, peer-reviewed research.An analogy would be.  It would be unreasonable of me to conclude that the sky is green based on the testimony of a blind man.  The blind mans (the source) is a suspect authority.  therefore, any conclusions I draw from the (suspect) testimony of the blind man would be false.

After all, we could not ignore the real fact-the language! The ancient chronicles confirm that i am right!

I just want to know what transcendant science is.  Is it anything like scientology? I can find absolutely nothing out about Dr Guide.  Where did he get his doctorate and what is it in?I cant help myself from getting involved in this train wreck again, even though I swore I would not.

OK scout1067, I will proof that Bulgarians are Thracians without the help of D-r Stephen Guide. But before that I give you the site, where you can find something about D-r Stephen Guide : Enter in ?Google? and write ? The Thracian Script decoded .  Here is the e-mail : PR@instituteT-Science.com  Here is the proof about Bulgarian origin. This is a fact, not a hypothesis, because  Bulgarian language speaks here and the speech, which Bulgarians use every moment could not be falsify.Who are Bulgarians ?  - The language, which they talk shows thatHere is one very important condition ? how we deal with the language. Because one language has two faces. One is its vocabulary, which is its outside face and can misguided us and other is its structure or grammer and this is the base of the language. The base of the language or its grammer is the real its essence . This essence is a constant thing, like a concrete and could not be changed. For example the greek language has recorded writings since 3000 years and from them is apparently that the greek language in the ancient past and now has the same grammer or its base is not changed. One language could receive some little grammer changes, but the whole grammer always is unchanged. The vocabulary could be changed drasticly, but this is only the outside face.Bulgarian language is one analytic one. It means without cases. The languages of the other peoples on Balkan peninsula are synthetic ones or with cases and different base, grammer. The Balkan peninsula is a part of the nativeland of the Indo-Europeans. Before 10000 years  there was a big flood and then was created Black sea and many people went to the east ? these are the Old Bulgarians. In their way they met Turks and Iranians, the languages of whom are synthetic ones. In 7 centure  A. D. Bulgarians returned on Balkan peninsula and continue to speak their analytic language. The other peoples on Balkan peninsula are new-comers, only the Thracians are the real native habitants, for that reason the other peoples speak different languages with different grammers. What follows of that ? Old Bulgarians are Thracians, who are returned in their nativeland. For that reason there are many chronicles in which is said -?The Thracians, who are called Bulgarians? ? I have written about that and have given examples.

Okay so now the Bulgarians were originally Greeks...Thracians=Greeks.  Now I've heard everything. 🙂

Donald Baker, I could not believe that you can say such nonsense! I think, that there is something suspicious in your statement! I am sure that you know who are the Thracians! Now I will explain for the nonspecialists. The language shows everything. Old greek language and modern greek language have cases or greek language is a synthetic language. Bulgarian language has not cases. Bulgarian language has complitly different structure, it is an analytic language. The base of one language is the structure or the grammer. Yes, there are records of the literary old bulgarian language, where there are cases, but this are the records of the imposed for official slav language in Bulgaria in 9 centure. This is not the language of the people, then and now. The proof is that now Bulgarian language has not cases. The grammer, the structure of one languge could not be changed. Donald, it is enough what i said and I do not receive any other nonsenses from you or from anybody else!

I too, have decided to leave this topic alone.  It has been run into the ground.

   No, you are totaly wrong! This topic has not been into the ground! On contrary! The truth is always on the ground! If you could not to see it, the problem is only yours!

ivkhan,  you seem to think I am running down the Bulgars as a people, I am not.  I am however disputing your claim that they "saved" Europe.  I dont htink you are right and have laid out why.  You have not countered my argument you just say I am not right.  Could you please explain why I am wrong without getting excited and using exclamation points at the end of every sentence?

  Excuse me scout1067, here you are right! I will represent examples and we/all/ to know better bulgarian history, only will win. Thank you for your attention and excuse me again!