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That's not an evidence, it's the speech.You don't have anything to support your statement. ;D
and the speech isn't only about immigration, it is also about non-productive immigrants who come to the nation to get free stuff like health care.
Well. If you suggest me to read and re-read again, I'm still waiting for your evidences ...
Both examples are wrong. There is a large percentage of historians, me among them, that would argue that Christianity was at least partially responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire. The Christians certainly subverted many of the ancient Roman institutions. The Wisigoths subdued and then supplanted the native Italians while maintaining some of the forms of the Empire, they certainly did not sustain it or do it any good.
Large percentage of historians : References and evidences are welcome 🙂 If you say "partially", it's not totally so my example is still valid.About the Wisigoths, what were the reasons for that ? Were they not allied ? Who or what caused that shift ?
Omer, Name me a historical example where immigration without integration was not ultimately destructive to the society the immigrants came to? I cannot think of any off the top of my head. The argument, today and at the root of Powell's speech, is not ultimately against immigration, it is against immigrants who do not integrate. This is an old debate and those that advocate multiculturalism fail to grasp that people like me do not object to immigration, we object to people who immigrate and then try to change the society they arrive at into the one they left. If it was so good, why did they leave in the first place? The recent debates about the veil in France or the utilization of Sharia law within Europe are perfect examples of what I am talking about. These things are inconsistent with Western values; the West should not be forced to change to accommodate aliens, it should be the other way around.Before you go there, I disagree with the west trying to impose our Western values on other countries. We got our current systems by degree, we should let others do the same as well. We can help reformers but imposing reform by force is not true reform. We should stay out of others' business unless out own national or regional interests are at stake.
I have an example : Early Christians and Rome.(Another example (less obvious) : the Wisigoths and Rome. (reasons for the shift from foederati to enemy of Rome))This discussion was about Powell's speech on immigration. If you want to talk about immigration and integration, it's another debate and, yes, I do agree with you about this. However, strictly speaking, nothing in Powell's speech is namely about integration but immigration only.
It wasn't luck, it was superior firepower and doctrine. I am a right of conquest guy so I will not be made to feel bad when the weak subdue the strong. I might even go so far as to say I am somewhat of a Social Darwinist. If the West goes under, it will largely be our own fault and for many of the reason's outlined in Powell's speech.
When I mentioned America, my purpose was to highlight the fact that, once upon a time, you were migrants as well. But the history of America is another debate.What I wanted to provoke, was a kind of reflexion : those condemning immigrants, seem to forget they were migrants themselves (why the Puritans fled?). Call it Social Darwinism, it doesn't matter much to me.What is shocking in Powell's attitude is his intolerance. Intolerance towards difference, intolerance towards Britain's history, intolerance towards what was against his personal goals. His views are not universal but local; for a man looking for a nationwide status, his speech fell a bit short hence his eviction.Nonetheless Powell's prediction that "by the year 2000, up to seven million people living in Britain would be of ethnic descent" wasn't correct: none of his worst scenarii happened (any granny invaded by hords of immigrants?)Powell was against everything that would imply tolerance. Disraeli and Splendid Isolation are over.Immigration is a major historical, yet current influence and integral part of how nations continue to grow and change in population and diversity. http://www.enotes.com/public-health-encyclopedia/immigrants-immigration
Lucky that you could overwhelmed those feathered natives and implement the real values ! Who do they think they are ? You came in America by God's will !
Powell is talking about Great Britain here, not America.
Are you a Briton ?
You are absolutely right, such a speech is not racist at all !! You have the right to protect your values, beliefs, customs and everything that make you real citizens in your community. Lucky that you could overwhelmed those feathered natives and implement the real values ! Who do they think they are ? You came in America by God's will !
Hi AllI had my DNA tested a while ago and came up with the following map that roughly shows the journey taken by my paternal ancestors from Africa to Scotland. For me this was a great as my grandfather never knew anything about his father and what this has shown is that his family line was really Irish.
I'm not a specialist but according to your map, your ancestors seem to originate not from Ireland but from present-day Aethiopia (or at last Scotland) ! ???Another famous American's great, great, great grandfather came from Moneygall (Ireland) and he plans to set foot in his ancestral home during a two-day visit to Ireland. Perhaps were they on the same journey, who knows ? 😉http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhideysncwoj/
The following art of work can be found in the city of Gotha(m?), Germany Law and Grace, by Lucas Cranach the Elder. The left side of the tree illustrates law, while the right side illustrates grace.Law demands obedience to God's will, while Gospel refers to the promise of forgiveness of sins in the light of the person and work of Jesus Christ.The left side of the tree seems dead whereas the right side is full of leaves ... 😮
With or without Lolita, still on a local map 😀 I wonder what would it be with a worlwide map ?
It sounds like you have something in mind. Care to share?
I wonder what would be a worldwide ten books list ...
Would you care to bet that the both the Bible and Koran would be on that list?
Agree
After the Republic, the Empire …*this is reminding me about another topic comparing America with Rome 😉
