The same could be said of Washington, Adams, Franklin and the others.
They were traitors against crown, the difference is that the side they were fighting for won, Davis' side did not. Therefore, he was not vindicated by victory. I point out that history is written by the winners despite all the protestaions on the left, that is still true. The ultimate verdict in history like in life, is whether you win or lose.
I played a lot of Civilization and Axis & Allies in high school back in the day when they were still board games. Matter of fact, I still have my Axis & Allies game, I wonder if it would be worth anything. I think I still have all the pieces too.
Bombs are often found in Europe when new construction goes up. There is a specially trained EOD unit of the fire department in most German and English cities that were heavily bombed in WWII. I also remember reading a story about a farmer in France near the Somme who suffered Mustard Gas burns after cutting down a tree on his farm and sitting on the stump about ten years ago. there is no reason why ordnance should not remain viable after sitting in the ground for many years unless the casing is ruptured. Remember, artillery and bombs are designed to withstand terrific forces and only detonate when their fuses go off. What is amazing to me is that more idiots don't kill themselves playing with Unexploded Ordnance. While the stuff is tough it is not indestructible. There was a guy in Houston who blew himself up two years ago after playing with a grenade he found that his dad had brought back from WWII.
quote author=skiguy link=topic=1093.msg7045#msg7045 date=1211896755]The only reason I can't say Iraq was contrived, was that for 10+ years prior to the invasion, nearly every administration and intelligence agency around the world thought Saddam had or was actively pursuing WMD's.The Arabs, particularly the Palestinians, have some valid reasons for hating Israel.Ahh, but look at the skimpy evidence put forward to support the WMD claim. I would also argue that Saddam's regime was contained. I thought so then and have seen nothing since to convince me that he was a threat, regional or otherwise.[
Footnotes should always be at the end of a sentence. Never put a footnote into the middle of the sentence. It breaks the folw of the sentence, I now that if I was grading papers that would be a huge gig. the footnote should always be at the end of the sentence to which the footnote is referring.
My grandfather was a beef rancher in Oklahoma, where the family still lives. When the depression hit and the beef market slowed down my grandfather wildcatted for oil on the family farm. He hit a big one and we had a well on the farm that produced well into the 50's. When I was a kid, the rig he used to drill sat in the barnyard. There are still natural gas wells on the place. I have seen pictures of my Grandfather pulling the rig around the farm in the 30's with an old Holt Caterpillar tractor that we still used in the 780's when I was in high school. My family was one of the ones that stuck it out through the dustbowl in Oklahoma. My Grandmother has told me stories of the dust storms and one of the things she hated the most was that no matter what you did, the dust still got into everything. Now that I am older, I wish I had listened better to the stories my Grandparents told before they passed away.
Simply put, Jefferson Davis was a traitor. He supported and led an insurrection against the duly elected government of the United States. This fact alone wipes out all the goodwill garnered by his many years as a Virginia lawmaker in congress prior to the Civil War.
What about Andrew Jackson. He defined American politics for much of the 19th century. historians still talk about Jaksonian Democracy. He was also forceful and driven. If it were not for Jackson, much of the American south, specifically Florida, would still belong to Spain or the Indians. they didn't call him “Old Rough and Ready” for nothing. He also had very concrete ideas about the role and authority of the President, ideas which still rverberate today in the way in which president's execute their power.
I'd say WMD for the current Iraq war rates pretty high
This has got to be close to the top. I know that I was not convinced before the war. Powells's presentation at the UN could have been put on by Goebbels it was so stage managed. How about the start of the Arab-Israeli war of your choice. they all pretty much boil down to the Arabs hate Israel and that is good enough reason for them to start a war. Too bad the Arabs are poor fighters and the Israeli's tend to kick the snot out of them every time. The recent Lebanon war is no exception, the Israeli's quit fighting because of domestic considerations, not because they lost on the field of battle.
We lost at Pearl Harbor, Bataan, and the Phillipines (round 1). These were early battles before we were completely ramped up to full steam. After that, we pretty much rolled the Japanese all the back to their mainland (of course heavy losses were incurred throughout). I don't think we ever lost a battle in the European theater unless you count Kasserine Pass in the Italian campaign. The Brits and Russians suffered many defeats before we really turned the tide.
Don't Forget The Battle of the Bulge, we (the US) suffered a major defeat before regrouping and counterattacking. There was also the meatgrinder defeats in both the Vosges Mounatins of Northern France and the Huertgen Forest. These battles are largley forgotten because they are not sexy enough for popular history. In both places the Germans brought the US forces to a standstill and did not give up any ground until they retreated due to eventsw on other parts of the front. Lastly, there is the allied defeat in Market-Garden inwhich the British 1st Airborne Division was not destroyed, it simply ceased to exist, albeit after heroic resistance for far longer than anyone thought possible.
The best reply to this query is timeless: "It would be a good idea". Presumably spoken by some eastern hash smoking hippie looking for redemption for Western Civilization, and wondering why it did not work.
Huh? I dont get where you are going with this. Can you expand on it. I fail to see how "it would be a good idea" fits into defining Western Civilisation.
No, I have never seen that. Now that is what I call effective COIN doctrine, That is what we were trying to in my sector until we got relieved and the follow on unit was more concerned with kicking down doors than engaging the population. A good COIN strategy gets the people to buy into the government and therby enhance their security. When it works, security grows exponentially because the sea the insurgent fish swim in start to dry up. The hard part is convincing the people they are better off with the government than the insurgents. The only way to prove they are is by providing a constant presence among the people, not hide in heavily fortified camps. When I was deployed we (the US) were aliens who only showed up when bad things happened. that has changed under Petraeus. Hopefully it will continue to improve. What people fail to understand is that improvement is not a straight line progression. It is more a case of four steps forward and one back until we reach the destination, which is a safe, stable, and secure, democratic Iraq.As you can see. Technology plays a part, but the human factor is decisive. This is as true now as it was 4,000 years ago. That is the point I was driving at when I started this thread.
I grew up in a town of about 1500. When I was 17 and got my 1st speeding ticket my mom knew about it before I got home. the first question she asked me was, I heard you got pulled over by the police? We need more of that in America today and maybe so many kids wouldnt be doing the outrageous stuff they do.
Star-Spangled Banner, Call me corny, but I choke up every time I hear a good rendition of it. It is one of the best songs ever written, right up there with Amazing Grace and the other great Hymns.
Yeah, I registered back in February but then work got heavy and I forgot all about it until you posted again in the school board. I am sure glad you did. this is probably the only history board I have found on the net that is worth anything. Everywhere else there is no debate or discussion only arguing. i love the fact that here, civil debate is possible.
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