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I firmly believe that 80% of Americans would bow down like sheep. They wouldn't want to tangle with the Federal government. All they want is to watch American Idol and get on Twitter with their Iphones and Ipads. Gone are the days of manly men who would do their duty to restore the Republic. Those days are long gone.
Then I guess it is about time to go buy that cabin in Idaho huh?
It's not you veterans we worry about...or at least I don't. Most I know are on the same side. It's the cops. They are so politically connected that I think they would would willfully obey government orders and many cops would be more than happy to be gungrabbers.
Ski,There is not a police force in the country that could hope to stop an organized group of combat veterans, and I include SWAT teams here, who are the closest thing police have to combat troops. Of course, the veteran composed militia would take casualties but only until they managed to get ahold of some of the assault weapons so many police tote around in their squad cars today. At that point the fight becomes and increasingly losing proposition for the police. There is a world of difference between urban combat and urban policing.But I don't think it is anything we have to worry about. All this talk of secession is so much hot air. Things would have to be way worse than now for it to get serious. I am talking about riots in the streets and midnight knocks and disappearances serious. Then it is game on, and I am fairly certain the State Guard forces would fall in behind their governors. I am not so certain about reserve troops but they are almost exclusively Combat Support (CS) and Combat Service Support (CSS) troops anyway, not combat arms. To get an idea of how tings might go down read A State of Disobedience by Tom Kratman, the book may turn out to be prophetic, but I hope not.
I would imagine Homeland Security and FEMA would step in and round up dissidents under martial law conditions if they thought there was anything to this secession movement.
I doubt even the rank and file of the left would stand by and allow Martial Law to be implemented. Do you really see all the gangbangers in Chicago, Houston, LA and other cities calmly accepting the imposition of Martial Law? I don't. It is also certain that many on the right would not lightly accept such a measure either. Martial Law is a figment of the radical right who think that government, any government, is inherently evil and not to be trusted. It is Sovereign Citizen type craziness. Lets at least try and keep this conversation realistic. If Martial Law were declared we probably would see civil war, and rightly so. I do not see any realistic reason now or on the horizon that would justify Martial Law. This veteran would be on the first thing hopping to get back to the US and fight to preserve those rights I spent over twenty years defending.
Jefferson Davis and his compadres also thought the country was so divided there was no downside to secession. I agree with Notch here, there is no advantage to secession. The only plausible path forward is working from within the system. At some future time Civil War may be required to right the ship of state, but probably not secession. I am thinking more along Cromwellian Civil War lines than 1860-65. States were categorically denied the right to secede, if such right ever existed in the first place, in 1865 with the Union victory.The current talk of secession is an expression of discontent more than a true secession movement I think. Personally, I think most Americans are too much the coward to really go through with trying to defy the central government. The big message I am getting from all the anger on the right and talk of secession is that talk is cheap. I highly doubt that those making the most noise have the courage of their convictions and are willing to accept the risk that secession or any violence will bring. Remember, Civil Wars tend to be bloody because family fights are the most intense.The current secession talk is just that, talk. It is a measure of how discontented many Americans are with the results of the election.
I agree that we can no longer police the world and that we should also pursue autarchy in many raw materials. At the same time I don't think we are seeing a permanent decline of America. There are dark days ahead but as long as there are men of quality and principle the experiment that is America is not condemned to disappear
Too bad going isolationist is impossible at this point. Otherwise you might have a decent point. You have just espoused one of Ron Paul's crazier points. We cannot go isolationist because we rely on other countries for too many resources. Rare Earths and Oil being the two most important.
Check this out: Louisiana Secession Petition. It is on the White House petition page. Of course, it will be rejected out of hand but I think it demonstrates the level of discontent with Obama's reelection.
I think the Repub Candidates will be Ryan, Rand Paul, and Alan WestDem- Some randome Senator is my guess at this point. I actually have no clue right now. Maybe Claire McCaskill or Elizabeth Warren? I can see the Dems trying to nominate a woman, they did elect the first black president, why not go for a twofer?
COIN lost me when I kept reading Generals other leaders complaining that this strategy puts foreign civilian lives above our own Soldiers' lives.
Which is exactly what it does.
What do you think of Petraeus now Ski? CIA Director Petraeus Resigns, Cites Extramarital Affair Of course, I never liked the guy to begin with, I have had to work for him and I thought he was a weasel then, as I have said before.
