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ParticipantLee was an icon who commanded the worship of his men.? Longstreet and Jackson were the brilliant tacticians who made Lee look good.? Still Lee was able to inflict pyschological terrror into the Army of the Potomac until Gettysburg.? Lee was a great general because he listened to his generals and when they argued, he kept them in line.? He was a great administrator and very able to deal with Jefferson Davis whereas other generals struggled to have good relationships with the meddling Confederate President.? Grant gave Lee the opportunity to inflict horrible casualties everytime he experimented with hackneyed strategies.? He did the same thing during the Vicksburg campaigns before he just realized that attrition was the best way to defeat the Confederate armies.? But as for Lee being overrated, I won't go that far since he was of the old school academy who did change his tactics to adapt to the new form of warfare.....although he did have lapses when he did stupid things like Pickett's Charge.? By Petersburg, he was listening to Longstreet who understood trenches and parapets and pillbox style defenses were the way to holdout.? The Siege of Petersburg really became a precursor to World War I style warfare.
I think you summed up Lee well. He ws not overrated but did have others who made him look good. Sometimes the Lee flag wavers forget to give credit to men like Longstreet and Jackson. I think a better case could be made for Grant then Lee, just because of the resources issue. I believe Lee did more with what he had then Grant could have put in a similer situation.
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ParticipantTHE turning point in the Civil War was the Emancipation Proclamation.? The South's best hope for victory was always the imposition of peace by the European powers, principally Britain (remember it was in the middle of the period known as Pax Brittania), but only if the war could be portrayed to the British public, and Parliament, as an economic struggle that was damaging, in many ways severely, their domestic economy because of the lack of cotton for their textile industry.? The Proclamation ended that hope by converting the war publicly to one against slavery.? There was no way that any British government could survivie if it was perceived as trying to save a slave economy.? After all, Britain, like the rest of the "civilized" world had already abolished slavery.? Even Russia had freed its serfs.
That was Lincoln's goal with this, to create an internal revolution and cast the south in a bad light to the rest of the world.
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ParticipantOne of my favorites was Glory, starring Matthew Broderick and Denzel Washington.?
Good chioce. That was an excellent movie. Very sad ending though. The only thing I liked about Cold Mountain was the scene involving the battle of the crater, I'm not sure I'd seen that on film before, and I think It was done well.
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ParticipantMany times people take things for granted inlife, and I think that was especially true with the english (and later american) dealings with the indians.
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ParticipantBut America's industrial might would have been far less if it never mobilized for war where factories were built for war production.? Also women would not have entered the work force to double American output.
How do you think we would be faring in todays world economy without the war?
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Participant? ? ? This attitude is neatly summed up in the famous quotation by the fourth century B.C. Politician Demosthenes: "We have hetairai (Prostitures) for pleasure, concubines for health, and wives to bear legitimate offspring."
Please tell me there are no cultures who still subscribe to this today.
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ParticipantI think, then, that the Stone trilogy was probably Full Metal Jacket, Born on the Fourth of July, and Heaven and Earth.?
It was Platoon and Born on the Fourth and Heaven and Earth. By the way, he just announced he is making Evan Connel's book 'Son of the Morning Star',about Custer and the little bighorn,into a movie. Wasnt this done back in the eighties or early ninties? Made for tv I think. Anyway lets hope he doesnt rewrite history like he has a tendancy to do some times, or at least give us his inturpratation.
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ParticipantAugust 1, 1914 WW1 beginsFour days after Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Germany and Russia declare war against each other, France orders a general mobilization, and the first German army units cross into Luxembourg in preparation for the German invasion of France. During the next three days, Russia, France, Belgium, and Great Britain all lined up against Austria-Hungary and Germany, and the German army invaded Belgium. The "Great War" that ensued was one of unprecedented destruction and loss of life, resulting in the deaths of some 20 million soldiers and civilians.
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ParticipantI found this over at Wikipedia;Khrushchev sent letters to Kennedy on October 23 and 24 claiming the deterrent nature of the missiles in Cuba and the peaceful intentions of the Soviet Union; however, the Soviets had delivered two different deals to the United States government. On October 26, they offered to withdraw the missiles in return for a U.S. guarantee not to invade Cuba or support any invasion. The second deal was broadcast on public radio on October 27, calling for the withdrawal of U.S. missiles from Turkey in addition to the demands of the 26th. The crisis peaked on October 27, when a U-2 (piloted by Rudolph Anderson) was shot down over Cuba and another U-2 flight over Russia was almost intercepted when it strayed over Siberia. This was after Curtis LeMay (U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff) had neglected to enforce Presidential orders to suspend all overflights. At the same time, Soviet merchant ships were nearing the quarantine zone. Kennedy responded by publicly accepting the first deal and sending Robert Kennedy to the Soviet embassy to accept the second in private that the fifteen Jupiter missiles near İzmir, Turkey would be removed six months later. Kennedy also requested that Khrushchev keep this second compromise out of the public domain so that he did not appear weak before the upcoming election. This had ramifications for Khrushchev later. The Soviet ships turned back and on October 28, Khrushchev announced that he had ordered the removal of the Soviet missiles in Cuba. The decision prompted then Secretary of State Dean Rusk to comment, "We are eyeball to eyeball, and the other fellow just blinked."So it seems the Soviets did demand removal of the missles in Turkey. Did Kennedy remove them as he promised?
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ParticipantSo we could say that we would not have the big government we have today without the war. What about the civil rights movement? I think it's safe to say that slavery would have been abolished with or with out the war at some point. But would people have tired of african americans being treated like third class citizens and did something about the rampent discrimination like they began to do in the 60's? Could a governemt not reformed by the war had any kind of influence?
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Participantwhat a tragedy. And to think he did that because of property taxes! The one thing I notice, is today it seems to be children killing children. But yes it seems to be something that has been with us longer than most people think.
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ParticipantI'm not sure which states voted for it and where the support was strongest, but I do know that 23 of the 48 sates had some sort of anti saloon law in effect at the time prohibition went in to effect. So I think the support was pretty wide spread, at least at first, it seemed to erode after the first few years.
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ParticipantJuly 311975 Jimmy Hoffa vanishesTeamsters Union president Jimmy Hoffa is reported missing in Detroit, Michigan. He was last seen alive in a parking lot outside the Red Fox restaurant the previous afternoon. To this day, Hoffa's fate remains a mystery, although many believe that he was murdered by organized crime figures.
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ParticipantAmerican Historians usually view the war through these filters and use it as a springboard to the Revolution.
How do you think the Revolution would have played out if this war had not taken place. Would it have happened? If so, Would it have just taken a little longer to come about?
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ParticipantBorn on the fourth was his, with Tom Cruise. if I remember Hamburger Hill wasnt that good. I've never seen heaven and earth.
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