I would argue that it's perhaps more important for students in the sciences to take courses in the humanities than vice versa. The sciences are where ethical problems can multiply very easily (cloning, weapons R&D, etc.). I would want scientists, engineers, and doctors to realize that just because they can do something does not mean that they should do it. In other words, I would want them to know how to weight their actions correctly.
Ah, there's the rub. Just as we want these folks to have a grounding in the liberal arts and the humanities in order to establish a moral and ethical foundation, is it not also essential for the liberal arts majors to have a similar foundation in the sciences? At a minimum, shouldn't the liberal arts major at least understand the scientific method and foundational theories?I think we need to take a look at what Scout said above - the purpose of a college education - in the classical sense - is to produce a well rounded functional adult who can contribute to (and lead) society. In general, this used to constitute two years of general education in the arts and sciences, and then two years of focused study in the desired "major" curriculum. Then there was further advanced studies within the discipline (graduate school) for further specialized education. Over time, some schools morphed into offering more focused curriculum at the expense of the first two years of general (liberal) education. Academia caved in to the demands of scientists stating "what do I need to know about a book written 500 years ago or who won a battle 100 years ago? How will that help me as a scientist?" The unintended consequence to that is that many traditional liberal arts degrees followed suit and either abandonded science and mant requirements or just opened over half the curriculum to elective credit - assuming that the true student would pursue the areas that he/she believed would be most beneficial to their overal education. Instead, in many cases, it has become a way of simply padding the GPA.I believe that in many ways, this is the root of the many ethical problems that we now face in science, business, and government - as well as society as a whole.I think I've posted on this before, but the most recent census data that I have seen states that less than 28% of Americans over the age of 25 hold a four year college degree. I would go one further, and ask that of that 28%, how many possess a well rounded, liberal arts degree that included courses in ethics or philosophy?
To flip the mirror around (and play devil's advocate) should an engineering student be required to take a literature, composition, philosophy, and political science courses? Does a pre-med student need to take a course on the Renaissance? Should a math major have to take a course on Middle Eastern culture or political philosophy? Or a course on the American Civil War? Will these courses make them better engineers, doctors, or scientists?Probably not - but these classes will help make them better citizens and more functional adults.
Just looking to my personal experience, a liberal arts curriculum usually requires everyone, regardless of major, to take a certain mix of foundational courses. While there are generally accepted “norms” – schools frequently put their own marks on the degree. My experience was something like, two science classes, two religion classes, a composition class and a literature class, two humanities classes, two math classes (and yes, “Math for Liberal Arts Majors” was one – the other was a non-calculus based statistics class), two social sciences, I know I took two philisophy courses – although they were probably electives – and most of the rest were history courses.Now, I'm currently a graduate student at AMU, so I went back and looked at their required undergraduate curriculum (AMU is designated as a liberal arts institution - I believe one of only two 100% online liberal arts schools). They require:2 English classes (one must be composition)1 Humanities class2 History classes1 Literature class1 Math class1 Political Science class1 Science class (with lab)2 Social Science classesThat's pretty much regardless of your selected major - that's the minimum that everyone must take.The intended result is that every graduate, regardless of discipline, will have a solid foundation in fundamental courses and subjects.
I'd like to invite all you guys to visit me and let's go hang around the coffee shops near Brown, RISD, etc, then we'll go do the same at the schools in Boston. If liberal arts is supposed to teach kids how to think critically, then those institutions have failed miserably. With some rare exceptions, these kids and adults are told WHAT to think, not how to think. I'm not saying it will change your minds, but it will help you see why I have the point of view that I have.
Ski - I think those schools are providing a liberal education --- not a liberal arts education.
Guys, I have to disagree with some of you.I believe that a liberal arts education is an essential part of a college education. Afterall, what is the purpose of a bachelor's degree? Is it training? Some would argue that some programs such as a BS EE or some IT degrees really are more like training programs - preparing graduates for a certain path in life.My take on the subject (possessing a liberal arts education for my bachelor's degree) is that the purspose of a liberal arts education is to produce a well rounded, functional adult who knows how to think, how to reason, and has an understanding of the human condition. A liberally education person understands perspective and should have a sound foundation in a number of disciplines.One of my favorite quotes is from Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale. Some will always remember Admiral Stockdale as Ross Perot's vice presidential running mate, but he is a recipient of the Medal of Honor, was one of the most highly decorated U.S. Naval Officers of the Twentieth Century, and was the highest ranking American POW in North Vietnam. After the war, he served as the president of the Naval War College. Here are his comments on the value of a liberal arts education:
I was always being asked by the Navy brass what a destroyer skipper needs to know about Immanuel Kant; a liberally educated person meets new ideas with curiosity and fascination. An illiberally educated person meets new ideas with fear.
In my mind, a liberal arts education teaches one how to think, not what to think. It teaches one how to learn and how to apply context for knowledge. It recognizes the role of diversity and complexity in the universe, as well as faith. It teaches us to recognize wisdom, rather than just knowledge through interaction with the wider world - science, math, social science, literature, religion, humanities - honing social responsibility, critical thinking, problem solving, application of theory and practice. It gives us a perspective on connecting the future with the present and with the past - with a recognition of continuity. It hones our ability to respond to change, as well as to seek and embrace change. And it does all this recognizing the importance of values and morality in society - recognizing the importance of their presence and the consequences of their absence.I've already written a small novella here, standing atop my soapbox, so let me wrap it up like this - a technical or specialized education gives one knowledge, while a liberal arts education gives one wisdom. I will be interested to see everyone's thoughts on this. And since I quoted Admiral Stockdale above, let me finish with the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes:
It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen.
Might be time to re-institute the old “Victory Gardens” — “Recession Gardens” anyone? That doesn't quite sound right – not catchy. Let's see, maybe we could take a cue from the VPOTUS and dub them “BFD Gardens”!
Ah, Mary Beard. When you say that you might have heard of Mary Beard, you're probably thinking of Mary Ritter Beard. She was a noted historian and women's suffragist in the early 20th Century. If you haven't exactly heard of Mary Ritter Beard, you've probably heard of her husband, the Columbia University historian Charles Beard. Charles Beard was one of the most prominent American historians of the first half of the 20th Century, re-interpreting many of the accounts of the founding of America with an economic / populist eye.But seeing how both Mary Ritter Beard and Charles Beard are both dead, and have been for 50+ years, the article is probably referring the noted British / Cambridge classicist Mary Beard (very much alive).The first two surfaced in my Historiography course a while back, and the latter was recently noted in one of my wife's humanities courses.
That is a newsflash to me, I did not know that journalists were in leadership positions except within their organizations. I am going to give this guy the benefit of the doubt though and think he is referencing the way that editorial choices can often fram the debate about a particular issue. Kind of a restatement of what is left out is often as important as what is included when it comes to news reporting.Just hearing a congressmen, even a democrat, claim that journalists are in leadership positions kind of blew me away.
I think that in order to make this guy's statement true, we may have to put jounalists in quotation marks. For an example of "journalists" in an opinion leadership role: George Will, Arianna Huffington, Rush Limbaugh, Jon Stewart, Nora Ephron, James Carville, Ann Coulter, Molly Ivins, Bill Moyers, Charlie Rose, etc... Maybe "journalist" is the wrong word... I can think of several others, "pundit", "media personality", "entertainer", "editorialist", "blowhard", and several that cannot be printed in an open and respectable forum like this.
Hey Tito – I'm an AMU grad student in the Mil. History program. I have a few friends who completed their bachelor's degrees in history at AMU who have been admitted to (and are attending) law school – one is at University of Mississippi.
Hmmm…. for some reason it makes me think of the history books used in the public schools in Japan… the ones that offer quite a revised vision of the Japanese Empire's involvement in World War II, doesn't mention Nanking, Bataan, etc.It's much easier to get outraged when it is another culture, but when it's our own we all tend to just go "tsk, tsk, tsk, what a shame, oh well.... I wonder who'll be on American Idol or Dancing With The Stars tonight"?
On a different note, has anyone noticed that Word Processing programs don't default capitalize the word God? I know MSWord does not nor does the spell-check utility in Firefox and it makes me wonder if that is a deliberate choice. I was taught as a child that God is always capitalized.
Would you capitalize Greek god or Allah is the god of Muslims?
No, but then I am biased that way. At least I acknowledge my bias. Strangely enough, I tried it and MSWord Automatically capitalizes allah, so does Firefox.
I think the capitalization thing maybe in recognition of the majority... there is one true God and many, many false gods. Works for me, anyway. ;D
My driver was busy trying to get people to sell him one and only one of their shoes. He had a pretty good collection and would drop one on the face of insurgents after we killed them. Now that is an insult, almost akin to putting the Ace of Spades on a VC.
I like it.My exposure to Iraqi culture is, uh, less than minimal. I dealt with Muslim cultures in East Africa, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Of course, I spent plenty of time in Central America, Korea, and Japan as well, and it has been more than a few years, but somewhere that Uncle Sam sent me, that's the "A**hole" symbol.
It is not enough that they don't have any faith. They are actively trying to keep those that do from being able to express their own.
There's the rub... what is faith anyway? What is religion? By and large, it is the human belief in something (a divine being) that cannot be proved or disproved. Athiests belief in a the non-existence of a divine being cannot be proved or disproved - and thus is an act of faith. The existence of an immortal soul cannot be proved (or disproved) by science - so the belief that it exists (or doesn't exist) is an act of faith. Faith and doubt go hand-in-hand - and somewhere deep down, every human being harbors some doubt about their faith - that's human nature. And it applies to Athiests as well - deep down, some small spark in them (the divine spark?) has doubt. They may not admit it to anyone, but it's there.An athiest's faith is that God and the immortal soul do not exist, their doubt is that it does. They publicly exercise their testimony - they espouse their faith in the public forum - proselytizing, if you will - trying to gain converts to their beliefs. That's what the displays are all about on the courthouse lawn in my little town - the Athiests are trying to gain converts to their beliefs by mocking another religion. By gaining converts, and joining them in fellowship, they reinforce their faith and minimize their doubts.Sounds a lot like a "religion" to me.
In the little town where I live in Northern Virginia, we have always had a manger scene set up on the court house lawn. Last year a group of athiests sued, so now we have a total of 14 holiday displays set up on the court house lawn. They were selected on a “first-come-first-served” basis and they represent, I think, three Christian churches, a Star Wars themed “Church of the Jedi”, four or five athiest groups, a Saturnailia display, a “Festivus” display, a solistice display, and a handful of crackpots, fruits, and nuts.In my favorite, an athiest group compares Christ to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, labelling them as "myths for young and old" -- but the best part is that the group behind it then published a letter to the editor of the local paper stating that they are pleased to be able to exercise their First Amendment rights and do not intend to offend anyone. Not offend anyone? Express your opinion, sure. Mock the religion of millions... no, I'm sure there is no offense intended or received.I'm waiting for the day when Athieism is declared a recognized religion.