Because America no longer wants its immigrants to assimilate, they are too busy being told to be diverse so America is now becoming more tribal. The goal of the diversity crowd is the Balkanization of America. They no longer want us to share a common culture. See this thread where I describe it in more detail: Diversity, What is it and is it good?
I still like Degler's Salad Bowl... the shortcoming today is that the diversity crowd is interpreting the Constitution which is supposed to be the unifyingsalad dressing. >:(
… is no more a right than buying a newspaper or having a telephone (LL or cell). Access is another issue; papers are available in the library, as are computers w/ i'net.As a retired teacher I'd say that kids don't "need" INTERNET just yet but the day is coming as libraries become less accessible... simply a warehouse for books; no (or very little) instruction on how to use a library because of cost cutting. We want instant info that i'net provides, not hours of time in the stacks.Big downside to i'net is that cheating is much easier. Sure there are sites that will check for plagiarism but again cost will enter the equation.My $0.02 :-
Not that hard really… besides the money spent on bankrolling the AmRev, the French Crown had a rep for wasteful spending. Versailles which had started out as a hunting lodge (rather plush but a lodge none-the-less) becomes, in reality, a advert for the craftsmanship of the French workers that designed and built it. To show just what the peasants and lower middle class were saddled with I used to use a simulation game from a group called History Alive (c). After some factual groundwork the class was divided up by Estate, alone with a King, Queen, and Controller General; the majority being Third Estate…First thing was to produce food; the peasant made food coupons, while their manor lord encouraged them. The Clergy wander about the room blessing the peasants and wencouraging them also. The Nobles (K,Q&C-G) sit in front and visit... occasionally adding a bit of encouragement as well. The kids know there will need to be 20 coupons per each to survive the winter.The strategy varies widely among a group of 10th graders, as you can imagine, but most play along as this is an experiential activity they aren't accustomed too. Those that buy in really learn the lesson... those that don't are left behind ( :o).Next step (2nd day) is count and divide the food. Some questions arise when people (absent the day before) are added to a group and others have fewer (absent today). Fairness is questioned but population varies with births and deaths. Grumbles aside the count is concluded and most think they are in...Next step; Church takes 10% off top, Crown 50% of the remaining, Manor Lord 50% of remaining... now we divide by # of peasants. At least one group is toast at this point. One or two groups are gloating since the have managed to keep 20-25 coupons each. Oh by the way... bad crop year prices double with inflation... you need 40 to survive.After the hissing and moaning stops there is usually one group that survives, barely. Like I said if they were playing along they get the idea. Also when you tie this to the exercise (extension of this one) on the meeting of the Estates-General they are as ready to revolt as if they were there themselves.One of those things that doesn't look like teaching to some but gets more results that lots of other ploys.
“On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”–Jefferson.http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_by/thomas+jefferson
Hi Willy, I'll take a swing at it and Phid can clean up the damage I do… based on what I have observed on forums like this there is an automated censorship system that will substitute a pre-set euphemism for a suspect word. Ranks are based on number of posts; lenght and quality aren't in the mix (Idon't think)… you are automatically advanced.A list was available once-upon-a-time but I can't seem to find it... again, maybe, Phid can fix that too.Don't worry I slipped several time too. this, unlike other forums is a very civil place. Some found it too boring and left 8)Cheers,Wally
....I would submit that first we need to teach the young generation to think critically and to look for themselves instead of spoon feeding them selected tidbits from either side and telling them what to think. Until we do that, this debate is academic anyway.
Sadly true... but you are correct about what and how we need to teach; first, last and always. Not, however, likely to happen any time soon. 🙁
#8 won't happen because no one will step down (admitting the goal has been reached) because they would have to give up power, No one wants to give up the bigger desk, thicker carpet, corner office, or any of the other trappings of an IC.Also no communist revolution in any industrial society as the industrial revolution provides the means for the worker to advance and have a better life. All the communist revolutions were in agrarian societies with landless peasants.I'd say we pretty much agree on the rest. 😀
Don't mean to hijack this but I need to follow up on Donnie's comments.
.... I think he wanted to fill in the blanks.Let me give you 10 examples of the kinds of things I mean.1. American Revolution--I did not learn in High School that only one third of the colonial people inAmerica supported the revolution--the others were Tories or indifferent.
Nor did I... at least I don't think I did as AmRev bored me in those days. Learned it in college and taught it to my eight graders. They needed to know though usually unified we're very seldom unanimous.
2. Manifest Destiny--I did not learn in High school that Polk manufactured a war with Mexico so as togain territory--it seems un American!
I was paying attention that day... my teacher required us to read 1846 by DeVoto. Truth told I didn't read it completely until I was in my 50's even though it was assigned in college as well 8) But Polk was defending the good American that settled Texas... my take is as soon as the took the free land from Mexico they weren't Americans anymore. Lincoln was right... "show me where on American soil blood was shed."
3. I did not know that one of the first things Woodrow Wilson did when he became president andmoved into the White House was to dismiss all the black supervisors.
Learned this much later, possibly when I read Zinn, but consistent with the man and his cultural baggage. Ugly to us... the norm for him.
4. I did not know that slavery was regularly justified by Bible scholars--and people said this is good--the sons of Ham ought to be hewers of wood and drawers of water.
Even many of the abolitionists weren't too fond of the sons of Ham being in their neighborhood... more concerned about their personal salvation than equal rights for the Blacks.
5. I did not know that A.G. Palmer and his horrid little lapdog--Hoover violated laws on a regularbasis during the Red scare following WWI.
An example of it being okay to break one law to enforce another... not what we want to hear, but unless we do it continues. Main reason for the Constitution is to prevent stuff like this. See how well it's working? 😉
6. High school textbooks are silent about the fact that JFK's father bought the Democratic nominationin West Virginia thus placing is son of the road to the presidency.
Can't mess with a martyr, eh? Had JFK lived he'd have spent lots of time living down what dad accomplished; unless he got a pass, like on so many other issues.
7. Commentary on the Iran-Contra disaster are discussed very briefly and without much depth incurrent text books. The President's lies are merely dismissed--he was old.
See 5 above....
8. Current texts do a very poor job when describing alternatives to Capitalism and Democracy. In arecent interview Newt Gingrich was asked whether he thought our President was a Socialist. he replied--yes! Now we both know he has a PhD in History so it is somewhat surprising that he answered as he did as a "Socialist: is one who belies that the Government ought to control the means of production, distribution et al. In fact, if you look at our President closely, you might well conclude that he is much more likely to be a Fascist than a Socialist. So if Newt blundered in such a manner--what can we expect from little Audrey who believes that textbooks contain truth rather than viewpoints.
Simple; I asked the kids who wanted a free college education... all hands up. Who wanted a job for life... all hands up. Assured retirement with benefits... again all hands. "Welcome to communism", I said. We then looked at the 10 point program from Uncle Karl... pretty scarey. Even HS sophomores can understand the gov't owning and controlling all the land, banks, industies, and transportation. Add to that the abolition of property rights and inheritance... they'll get it quick.
9. Current textbooks do little to enlighten students concerning the struggles between capital and labor from 1865 to 1941. The Pullman strike, the violence in the mines, the shops and the oilfields , the IWW and Big Bill Haywood, Eugene Debs the Holmstead strike, the CIO, the UAW and the battle of the overpass are touched on lightly if mentioned at all.
My kids got the benefit of me being a union rep. 😮 Seriously, if one studies the Industrial Revolution one will see why unions exist. Not defending the way NEA and the like work on a national level but at the local level w/o a union some folks get squashed. Union type or not the teacher needs to step up, forget the test for a day and get the kids up to speed on what makes the world work.
10. Textbooks do not contain much material on the way we acquired Hawaii and what we did to thepatriots in the Phillippine insurrection, the fate of the patriot Emilio Aguinaldo. An American army ofover 60, 000 men was necessary to convince the natives that American hegemony was "good" andbetter than the freedom they had hoped to acquire when the boot of Spanish rule was lifted from their neck. The American soldiers who fought there had some colorful sayings--"civilize them with a Krag"and some unprintables--L.B.F.M. being one.
Bad as it looks we need to see it to understand how much better we've gotten.
So all in all I think you will agree that history should be taught using the maximum of factual narrativeand a minimum of cant. You will also, no doubt, agree that it should be taught as it happened--warts and all.
The thing that keeps this from happening enough is the same reason we don't tell the little kids most of Columbus' sailors were likely rapists and murderers... they aren't ready to learn the truth (think Nicholson in A Few Good Men). By the time they are ready it's too hard, in most cases, to unteach the fluffy crap. "nother reason I'm out of it... I unfluffied too much for some peoples' taste. ;D No angst and frothing though... just a healthy dose of what's wrong with this picture? We need to check our hold card once in awhile... this was my way of doing so. Curiously most parents that commented were very positive; must have been okay.
Zinn is a perfect example of a point I always tried to make to the students; the author includes those points he thinks most important. They, too, can leave out or underplay those things the think less so. Might not sit well with some but that is how it works.My state set up a framework for the teaching of history based on a set of standards that were arrived at by folks that set standards for a living with a little help from some teachers (read with an agenda)... my only agenda was that the kids be exposed to a fair and balanced view of history, sooo... I didn't always use the books. One of my chief gripes with education was, rather than teaching the students to read, evaulate, and be critical thinkers, we were supposed to fill them up with what amounted to state approve propaganda. Before this becomes a diatribe against public education (on my part or that of anyone else), understand that by propaganda I mean merely the promotions of one particular viewpoint. Much of the curriculum I was supposed to use was good and I used it with out reservation; some was a crock which I took pleasure in debunking, and some was just useless or far too complex for the grade level and I flushed it. Good that I am out of education because the edu-Nazis are gainning ground all the time. As dollars become tighter they can add more bogus mandates and fuzzy issues to the mix and impose them in the name of NCLB as no one wants to see any child left behind.Want to fix education? Make schools like they were in the 50's and early 60's... kids that don't really want to be students; teach them a trade. If (as today) math and English teachers have to be math or English majors... then so should science and history teachers majors in those fields (interesting point considering I wasn't a history major, but that is another story... :o).
... perhaps his screed is better thought of as a scream --ala Munch--against thehypocrisy and Babbitism of American society. Zinn should be read to flavour the stew. One need notadopt his views, but one ought to hear of them.
Nicely put willy; I've read this book and agree with your call. BTW, welcome, it's nice to have you here.Wally
“In the forest of Compi?gne after agreeing to the armistice that ended the war, Foch is seen second from the right. The carriage seen in the background, where the armistice was signed, later was chosen as the symbolic setting of P?tain's June 1940 armistice. It was moved to Berlin as a prize, but due to Allied bombing it was eventually moved to Crawinkel, Thuringia, where it was deliberately destroyed by SS troops in 1945.[113]” From Wikipedia… sorry guys ::)
I was led to understand that history began with the written word, which began in about 3000 BC with the Ancient Egyptians.
If you are meaning a written record of history, yes. However, everything that ever happened is history in the wider sense, we just don't know what exactly happened, when, or, to whom. That which happened before writing, then is more properly pre-history, if you will.
Are you saying that the DNC inserted all those hordes of people at Obama rallies to give the impression that the masses were behind him when they were not?? ;D
Why not? The Russians were masters at this before digital (wish I'd picked it up) according to a book I looked over when I was teaching photo.
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