Don't expect any religion or religious people to be rational. By definition religion is irrational. Someone said, years ago, that religion was the opium of the people ("the opiate of the masses"). 😛
Karl Marx. I seem to remember that was a gereralization... as long as the people had religion it would be difficult to get them to be sufficiently angry to revolt. While that can be irrational, not exactly the type that leads to murder and terrorism.
That is the nose of the camel; to equalize opportunities the Feds get involved and then set restrictions on how states can use the $ since they are Federal funds (ignore that it is just our money coming home)... :o.
... history of the American public school system and couldn't see when it was created.
Because it is a state issue; likely going to have to check each state history. That said consider that the Ordinance of 1785 set aside Section 16 of each Township to support education, pretty vague but there.
The Const is silent on education as I read it. The 10th Amend would indicate that it would be a reserved power (as there is nothing about education being delegated to the central gov't.); this also would disallow a federal school system since the 10th was supposed to be the check on the elastic clause.The states are required to recognize the offical acts of all other states (though the can enhance them with teir own requirements sometimes): Art. IV Sec. I... marriage lics., corps., etc. The current trend though, that allows NCLB and the like, is for gov't. to claim that education is an interstate trade item and invoke the commerce clause. An end around on the 10th Amend in this case.
Went through an intensive Spanish lang. class several summers ago for more NCLB type req'ments. Had had 3rd year Spanish in soph yr of HS (at that time some 35 yr previous) and it was tough but I had that head start. One of my colleagues somhow never had Spanish… he was a bit envious that I remembered things but got even by reminding me that he was born the year I took Spanish 3! 😮
November 4, 2009 at 5:23 pm
in reply to: Vikings#16831
No, according to most of the stories the expd. was sent to contact a “lost” colony… hadn't reported back or had left Christianity (depends on the version). Sent by King Magnus Eriksson of Sweden and Norway and commanded by a law officer named Paul Knutsson. The order may or may not have been carried out. We are left hanging, as in the case of the Vivaldi Bros. ???
....My main argument is that the revolutionaries in France revrted to popularism to gain support from the common people and not out of any true faith in their populist sentiments. They stoked popular discontent over taxes in both wealth and in kind and demonised the nobility only to impose burdens that were just as onerous if different themselves.
One can make a case for the AmRev being set up similarly (san guillotine)... witness the founders and their take on the common man in gov't. The main difference was the French running amok. They completely reordered society; we just changed to whom we, ultimately, paid our taxes.
"to reestablish the limits and boundaries of Government as framed by the Founding Fathers of the United States of America."
I dont know how more to the point you can get. My big question is are we seeing the next Log Cabin party forming with the Conservative party? Or are they just going to be a flash in the pan?
My concern is not just do they have the fortitude to prevail, but also; do they have the understanding of what the Constitution really establishes... limits and all?
Thomas Jefferson: On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
....My first intention was only to remind you about the context of that time: you may admire such a system for its efficiency and the probably best response to a given situation but except if you belong to the nobility or the church, I don't think that your ancestors would share your feudal enthusiasm ... 😉
All considered I'm in agreement; so too, though, by the time of the French Rev there was enough failed nobility and lower clergy that even those two estates were ready for a change. 🙂
Add that the Church was backing whichever lord would do the most for it and that sealed it. The peasant had little to look forward to except an afterlife that would be better only if he did what the Church spec'd out. Obeying the load of the manor was on the list of things to do… honoring the lord was (in its way) honoring the Lord.
Same with the petrol. companies (relatively small % profit margin) but the huge volume of business at even a small margin yields total $ figures that appear outrageous.